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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got my sense of humor too. That's about all, since Dell sent my 40-yr career to China, to get halfass work done for $3 an hour instead of the $40 they were paying me, and 5000 others, to supply a quality product, up until early 2001.

As they say, so be it Jedi.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've got my sense of humor too. That's about all, since Dell sent my 40-yr career to China, to get halfass work done for $3 an hour instead of the $40 they were paying me, and 5000 others, to supply a quality product, up until early 2001.

As they say, so be it Jedi.


Perfect example of how stupid the leadership of corporations are to send or outsource jobs overseas because it's cheaper. And they're supposed to be good businessmen. Rolling Eyes

In the long run, it's not cheaper but rather more expensive because customers are going to be alienated and irritated by the low quality of customer service and the language barrier and take their business elsewhere. The quality of work of someone making $3/hour is not going to be the same as someone who's making $40/hr. At $3/hour there's no motivation. They won't care.

I'm having so many problems with Dell, I'm at the breaking point. I'm so disgusted. I've received calls left on my voice mail by people saying they're from "Dell Corporate". They all have Indian accents. I have to listen to the voice mails five or six times before I can decipher their gibberish and find out what the hell it is they're saying. And when I do talk to them on the phone, their English is incomprehensible and I have to keep asking them to repeat what they said. A simple phone conversation turns into a struggle. But curiously, there's not one single Indian in Dell Senior Management or on the Board of Directors.

Why is it that when I ordered my Dell computer I spoke to an American and not an Indian?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have received another call; this time from a "William" on behalf of Dell Corporate Office, and surprise, he is in India. We had the same discussion as all the others - telling me it's a coincidence I have two laptops with the same problem, and my favorite - we sell millions of computers, just because a few hundred have a problem, doesn't mean it's our problem to fix. I mentioned something about the whole exploding battery thing not being their problem either, until they were forced to have to admit it, and take the steps required to recall the batteries etc. That shut him up for a minute.

I started quoting things I have read here - like, the min expected age a computer should last, based on technological standards is 5 years, and threw in some lemon law and lawsuit words. I am sure I didn't quote anything correctly, but it seemed enough, that he is going to get with the internal something or another department, and call me back.

Just a side note too, I emailed some forum liaison with the the dell forum site, and detailed my issue. He responded, and included his managers email in his signature. So I cc'd her my response to him which also included my original complaint, and I got an out of office reply, with her cell number attached as well as two other people to contact if I needed immediate help. That info may come in handy at some point! Especially the cell phone number Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might not seem like it now, but you're making progress. Like I said before, Dell promises to call warranty customers back and never does. So you must have an issue they're sensitive to, they just don't want to give away exactly what it is.

It may be the Texas Fraudulent Business Practices act. I've seen businesses get very responsive when that comes into question. And two identical failures just past warranty might just qualify. It's really pretty broad, especially considering that Texas law strongly favors corporations.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for you kimberlemae you got the show on the road! You're going to drive those people at Dell so crazy they're going to give you what you want eventually just to get rid of you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy Shit Batman

I just received this email.
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Hi, Kim,

I am sorry for the frustrating experience, and our not resolving the issues yet. I have issued a used system exchange- used due to amount of time from original invoice and date of warranty expiration- for the ******* service tag using the ### ###### address to ship to. The ******* tag comes back as invalid, and I could find no other tags associated with the same customer number as the other tag. Can you double check the tag number, or possibly send me the express service code instead? I will get that one exchanged as well.

Thanks for your patience.


When I get home from work I am emailing the corrected information. The one they can't find is the one the warranty just ran out on. I guess I must have typoed it.

Any thoughts on this email? Am I just being more screwed over by getting a "used system exchange"?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two words: Stone. Walling. Dell does that to people within warranty too.

If you read the service code off the label, it cannot POSSIBLY be invalid. Dell's records are invalid, when it's convenient to THEM for them to be.

I don't know the way around that, other than asserting "I'm sitting here reading it off the sticker on the machine I own, if it's invalid that's YOUR fault not mine."
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing I can think of, is that I typed it worng. I can't tell until I get home and look at it. But they have, he said anyway, issued a "used replacement" on the other one. Is this a bad thing? Or should I either demand a new motherboard, or new system altogether. That one is out of warranty 6 months.

The one they can't find is the one just out of warranty by 2 weeks when it died.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That means they're sending you a refurbished replacement system. When you'll get it, well, that's another story. Dell knows damn well they have a record of your service tag number and express service code. They play games like that all the time.

You better confirm with Dell that they are sending you a laptop with the equivalent components you have now because Dell is well know to send replacement systems that are inferior and cheaper than the ones customers originally had.

Confirm the type of motherboard, power supply, processor, memory, hard drive, sound card, video card, USB ports, modem, everything. Make sure you get what you're supposed to.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are being VERY conciliatory offering you ANYTHING besides a $39.95 consultation, which would most likely advise you to reinstall Windows, on a system that won't turn on.

Most people past warranty, they just hang up on. If you get one working system out of the deal, consider yourself quite fortunate.

They're lying about the invalid thing, to get you to go away at the minimum cost and leave them alone even though they know you have a legal issue. If you didn't have a legal issue, they wouldn't be talking with you at all.

If you can get another working system out of them for a $50 attorney fee for sending them a registered letter, it would be worth it. Myself, I feel the less aggravation you expend upon Dell, the better for you. But that's a personal decision.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Myself, I feel the less aggravation you expend upon Dell, the better for you. But that's a personal decision


Yes, but the amount of aggravation I'd have continuing to pay for 2 laptops that don't work, far exceeds the aggravation I have fighting with them to get them to do the right thing and replace the laptops.

He was missing an 8 in the tag#, on purpose or otherwise, he has the correct one in black and white now.

I won't hold my breath on the whole thing. I am not that naive. I am sure they are just trying to get me to shutup, which I won't do until I am satisfied with every last detail.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do keep us posted.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll be getting a refurb system exchange because your system is not new by any means, so there's no reason to replace with a new system.

Just about the ONLY way you'd ever get a new replacement is if this happened within the first 21 days and even then it's a stretch.

No one can expect "new" for a "used" piece of equipment. Regardless of the stance "it was new when I bought it". Doesn't matter, it ain't new anymore. Try to return your "new" car back to the lot after a few months and watch how fast they laugh you off the lot when you want a new one in return. Different industries, same concept.

Also, their policy is to replace with "like or better" but as mentioned, this doesn't always happen so be SURE to request the full specs of any replacement system and compare it to what you have now. If something seems out of place or not quite right, make sure you point it out before accepting it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is where it stands as of now

This email was this morning, after straightening out the tag number confusion and my inquiry re the components.

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Hi, Kim,

Due to the systems' ages and expired warranty, they will both be used exchanges. I have no way of knowing at this stage the specific components. The warranty normally transfers from the original system on an exchange. Since your warranty is expired, the system will retain a 30 or 90 day warranty. I will have to check to be sure, but I think it will be 90 days. I just set up the exchange for the second system.

I read through the case notes on *******. A couple of points to clear up. Both of these exchanges are highly outside of policy, and are definitely one time exceptions. I want to make sure your expectations are accurately set on that point. Also, the systems do not have inherent design flaws. We sold a lot of that model, and the field incident rate and exchange rates are well within and below normal numbers. Just a little house cleaning there- not trying to be rude.

Thanks for your patience, and let me know if there is anything else I can do to assist
.

When I emailed him back I acknowledged there was much frustration on my part, and it probably showed in the call notes, but I didn't apologize for it. I also asked what time frame he is talking about for the exchanges and he said he wasn't sure, maybe 10-15 days.

So, my question is....I made accusations that there must be something other than coincidence causing my issues, as well as all the other problems I found with the E1505 in the forums etc....and I can't see why they are issuing me 2 replacements when I am supposedly entitled to nada. But I guess first I should have the replacements that are comparable in hand, before I assume I won.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dell has been known to make promises they don't keep, so caution on declaring victory.

But you've fared better than anyone would have expected if you end up with 2 working systems in place of 2 broken ones out of warranty.

'Course, Dell will just put new motherboards in yours and ship them to someone else, and charge the vendor for the parts, so why they put up all the pretense is rather beyond reason.

Did you know harddrive vendors warrant their products for 5 years, but Dell just absorbs that and once they've shipped them to you they're only warranted for a year? That not only typifies Dell's chicanery, it defines it.
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