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Hellenback one bitch wonder
Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: Dell Takes Advantage of the elderly!!! |
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My 79 year old mother was strong armed by "The Shopping Channel" on behalf of Dell computers here in Canada, into buying a fax/copier/ scanner, and she doesn't even have a computer!
The sales pitch went something like "You don't even need a computer to do all that you see here!"
Well good luck because the instructions on how to set the thing up are on a CD Rom included with the printer!
My Mom was a little embarrassed so I didn't here about her mistake until it was past the 30 day return policy date (10-14 days past). She assumed she had to swallow the loss. I called Dell on my mom's behalf hoping they might have a policy of making some exceptions to their "30 day rule". It turns out they do but customer service can't handle the request. It has to be "bumped up" to the senior escalation team who decides on a case by case basis. (while another two weeks goes by)
Well it turns out that a 79 year old woman who made a mistake based on what she was told by a company she trusted doesn't qualify.
I contacted The Shopping Channel and they said there was nothing they could do. Small wonder, as it had taken Dell another two weeks to NOT get back to me about their 30 extra day grace period policy. (I had to phone back to find out she had been refused.)
I find it offensive and almost unbelievable that a company as big and profitable as Dell (and/or The Shopping Channel) cannot apply an exception rule for an elderly woman on a fixed income who bought something she cannot use as advertised. No opened discs, cables, etc. or even final acceptance of the terms of sale because they are included on the CD Rom which could not be accessed. Shame on Dell and the Shopping Channel for not making an exception for a confused senior citizen who purchased something by mistake based on false advertising and strong arm tactics! Scumbags!!! _________________ "If you want something done right, do it yourself!" |
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getalifeppl came back and replied a few times
Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 8
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:14 am Post subject: Dell Policies |
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Sorry bud I gotta side with Dell on this one. Number 1, anyone who spends their time actively watching the shopping channel ought to have their head examined. The shopping channel exists for 1 thing and 1 thing only, to sell products to people. If a few people make questionable purchases because of that, it's to be expected. Some people are just naturally suckers. Sorry to speak about your Mom that way, but the fact is it was manufactured by Dell computers, and that alone ought to have tipped your mom off that maybe just maybe you might have to have a computer to run the component. Of course this is not always the case, but you should be able to put 2 and 2 together. After all, if it didn't add value to Dell's products, why would they be selling it?
Neither the shopping channel or Dell should be held responsible for your Mom's stupidity. I'll tell you right now, I used to work for a collection agency, and elderly people often times blame someone else for their own mistakes. It's not anyone's responsibility other than your Mom's to deal with her own emotional problems, so if she is too embarrassed to admit her mistakes that is no one's fault but her own. She had a 21 day period to return the printer and she didn't, so too bad. Period. If Dell makes an exception for your Mom, it just opens the floodgates as it sets a precendent for others, and then Dell's return periods mean nothing cause if they made an exception for your Mom, what's to stop one of her friends calling in saying "You made an exception for _____, why not for me?" Policies are policies, period. If you can't follow them, too bad. Get over it. Your Mom made a mistake and didn't deal with it soon enough. It's her fault. . |
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NoRulez Regular Hater

Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 13 Location: Kimberley, SA
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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I've invented pills for stupidity - maybe a good idea to market it on the shopping channel...
Any prospective partners in my new venture? You can really make loads of money off stupid people thet are even younger than 79...
If you're old enough not to have any use for the product, you can buy some anyway just to show your shopping channel addiction. _________________ You are what you believe! Be the Reason! Take pride in what you do! |
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diashto Moderator

Joined: 11 Nov 2006 Posts: 309 Location: Detroit area
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| If it's as un-opened and unblemished as you say.. just ebay it. you should be able to recoup most of your financial losses. |
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Hellenback one bitch wonder
Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| diashto wrote: | | If it's as un-opened and unblemished as you say.. just ebay it. you should be able to recoup most of your financial losses. |
Thanks for the helpful (and blameless) tip! It's a good idea.  _________________ "If you want something done right, do it yourself!" |
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Hellenback one bitch wonder
Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Dell Policies |
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| getalifeppl wrote: | Sorry bud I gotta side with Dell on this one. Number 1, anyone who spends their time actively watching the shopping channel ought to have their head examined. The shopping channel exists for 1 thing and 1 thing only, to sell products to people. If a few people make questionable purchases because of that, it's to be expected. Some people are just naturally suckers. Sorry to speak about your Mom that way, but the fact is it was manufactured by Dell computers, and that alone ought to have tipped your mom off that maybe just maybe you might have to have a computer to run the component. Of course this is not always the case, but you should be able to put 2 and 2 together. After all, if it didn't add value to Dell's products, why would they be selling it?
Neither the shopping channel or Dell should be held responsible for your Mom's stupidity. I'll tell you right now, I used to work for a collection agency, and elderly people often times blame someone else for their own mistakes. It's not anyone's responsibility other than your Mom's to deal with her own emotional problems, so if she is too embarrassed to admit her mistakes that is no one's fault but her own. She had a 21 day period to return the printer and she didn't, so too bad. Period. If Dell makes an exception for your Mom, it just opens the floodgates as it sets a precendent for others, and then Dell's return periods mean nothing cause if they made an exception for your Mom, what's to stop one of her friends calling in saying "You made an exception for _____, why not for me?" Policies are policies, period. If you can't follow them, too bad. Get over it. Your Mom made a mistake and didn't deal with it soon enough. It's her fault. . |
I wasn't asking anyone to claim responsibility for my mother's mistake. (Although it wasn't her who was watching the shopping channel but a friend who phoned her because she knew my mom wanted a printer to copy documents.) I was stating that I felt if there is an exception policy then my mother should have qualified. I was told by their representative that there is a thirty day extension in certain cases!
You sound like a collector! I hope your attitude towards the elderly changes before it comes back to haunt you when you are 80 years old!
PS.I don't need to "get over " anything. It wasn't my money. I was just posting an opinion. There are hardly two more thieving institutions than the shopping channel and Dell! Together they make quite a team! _________________ "If you want something done right, do it yourself!" |
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hiwaystar Hates with a Vengance

Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 90 Location: center of N.C.
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Just like Walmart  _________________ I don't give a damn what it was desiged to do.
what can it do? |
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overworked one bitch wonder
Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| lol @ norulz and I agree with getalife on this one ......Doesnt seem like Dell got to do anything with this one |
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FallenAngel Super Hater
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1483
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: Re: Dell Policies |
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| Hellenback wrote: | | I wasn't asking anyone to claim responsibility for my mother's mistake. (Although it wasn't her who was watching the shopping channel but a friend who phoned her because she knew my mom wanted a printer to copy documents.) |
No offence, but this is a plight of many a consumer. They are sheep. So her friend is a Shopping Network junkie that happens to call your elderly Mother and tells her about this great deal she saw for something neither one of them knows a damn thing about? And your Mother just picked up the phone right away and placed the order?
Hmm.
Can I have this friend's number? I have a bridge built in the Florida glades that has a scenic view that she may enjoy. Then she can call your Mother and other sheep that she knows and they can just go out and buy things that they don't have a clue about...
No offence, really. I just loathe people that point fingers at "policy" because they know someone who is part of the "sheeple" population, and blames everyone but themselves for the same "policies" that apply to the able bodied and so forth. You make it sound like she was duped. She was guilty of one thing, consumerism. Plain and simple.
See it - don't know what it is - THINK I need it - friend tells me about it - buy it - blame someone when it doesn't work right or I need something else to make it work.
It's a Shopping network. They have only one thing on their minds - making a SALE. What a concept. And it's not like Dell's 30 day/21 day return policy hasn't been discussed to death just about everywhere online these days. My advice - next time, tell your Mother to call someone informed (like you, perhaps?) before she rushes out and buys more junk just because her social circle saw it on TV.
You have a right to an opinion, just like everyone else. You do NOT however, have any right to blame Dell for maintaining their policy, or to blame a Shopping network for making a sale.
Buyer beware is not just another nickel and dime catchphrase. It's muttered for a reason. Listen closer next time. |
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Hellenback one bitch wonder
Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Dell Policies |
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| FallenAngel wrote: | | Hellenback wrote: | | I wasn't asking anyone to claim responsibility for my mother's mistake. (Although it wasn't her who was watching the shopping channel but a friend who phoned her because she knew my mom wanted a printer to copy documents.) |
No offence, but this is a plight of many a consumer. They are sheep. So her friend is a Shopping Network junkie that happens to call your elderly Mother and tells her about this great deal she saw for something neither one of them knows a damn thing about? And your Mother just picked up the phone right away and placed the order?
Hmm.
Can I have this friend's number? I have a bridge built in the Florida glades that has a scenic view that she may enjoy. Then she can call your Mother and other sheep that she knows and they can just go out and buy things that they don't have a clue about...
No offence, really. I just loathe people that point fingers at "policy" because they know someone who is part of the "sheeple" population, and blames everyone but themselves for the same "policies" that apply to the able bodied and so forth. You make it sound like she was duped. She was guilty of one thing, consumerism. Plain and simple.
See it - don't know what it is - THINK I need it - friend tells me about it - buy it - blame someone when it doesn't work right or I need something else to make it work.
It's a Shopping network. They have only one thing on their minds - making a SALE. What a concept. And it's not like Dell's 30 day/21 day return policy hasn't been discussed to death just about everywhere online these days. My advice - next time, tell your Mother to call someone informed (like you, perhaps?) before she rushes out and buys more junk just because her social circle saw it on TV.
You have a right to an opinion, just like everyone else. You do NOT however, have any right to blame Dell for maintaining their policy, or to blame a Shopping network for making a sale.
Buyer beware is not just another nickel and dime catchphrase. It'muttered for a reason. Listen closer next time. |
THEY REFUSED TO IMPLEMENT THEIR EXCEPTION POLICY FOR AN ELDERLY WOMAN! IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER THAT IT WAS MY MOTHER. OPEN YOUR EARS.
Who are you? I just saw a thread and gave an anecdote. Sure some people are naive. I didn't buy the damn printer and I don't watch the shopping channel or even pay retail for nearly anything. Do you think I need you to educate me about the shallowness of the consumer society? This was a simple story and you've blown it into a reason to rant about what a sucker my 79 year old mother is. She isn't reading your post.
My single point was that I was told (when I belatedly tried to help someone) that Dell made exceptions to their 30 day rule. They denied a 79 year old pensioner the courtesy of that exception rule, period. I can't believe your patronizing, "smarter than the masses" rant over such a simple statement. The site is called I HATE DELL. I was just putting in my 2 cents! What did somebody burn you or something? _________________ "If you want something done right, do it yourself!" |
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Rocke_T_Sinetist Moderator
Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 2388 Location: DFW airport
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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OP: Sorry you and Mom had to find out about Dell this way, but that's how most people find out, by getting duped, stonewalled, lied to.
Dell defenders: You really reveal that lump of coal behind your sternum in threads like this. I'm up to my neck with it. Dell detractors are not allowed on Dell sites, and if you think you can toxically bias this site in the same manner at the behest of your employer, think again.
Be on notice. Calling people 'stupid' because they put faith in Dell does nothing for your position. It also violates this board's policy on civility and on that basis such posts will be deleted in the future. Repeat offenders will find their accounts deactivated and their IPA blocked. _________________ Rocke T Sinetist
as in, 'it doesn't take a...' |
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gkarris Hates with a Vengance
Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 77 Location: In front of my Apple Computer
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Lesson learned:
Never buy high tech stuff just based on the media. Always go to the store and talk with someone knowledgeable. Try before you buy.
I'm very technical literate, and still I make sure I get my hands on it before purchasing... |
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Mele20 Dances with Hate

Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 204 Location: Hawaii
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Rocke_T_Sinetist wrote: | OP: Sorry you and Mom had to find out about Dell this way, but that's how most people find out, by getting duped, stonewalled, lied to.
Dell defenders: You really reveal that lump of coal behind your sternum in threads like this. I'm up to my neck with it. Dell detractors are not allowed on Dell sites, and if you think you can toxically bias this site in the same manner at the behest of your employer, think again.
Be on notice. Calling people 'stupid' because they put faith in Dell does nothing for your position. It also violates this board's policy on civility and on that basis such posts will be deleted in the future. Repeat offenders will find their accounts deactivated and their IPA blocked. |
Thanks Rocke. I was reading this thread with growing horror until you put these Dell lackeys in their place. If they want to post here civilly that is different.
Hellenback, I agree that any DECENT company would have quickly made an exception in this case. The Dell I used to know and love would have. The Dell that took over in the early part of this century wouldn't. The really sad part is that most consumers had to learn the hard way about how much Dell changed and turned away from its customers that it once valued. I too learned the hard way as I didn't realize the changes going on at Dell and I bought my second Dell in late 2003 precisely because I had a great experience both hardware wise, and customer/tech support wise, with my first Dell from 1999. I am still paying for my mistake.
Have you considered contacting the Better Business Bureau about this? Or AARP? If Dell gets negative exposure about exploiting senior citizens, particularly those as elderly as your mom who is at the age where Alzheimer's begins to affect a large number of the elderly, they might still do something positive in her case. If not, at least AARP and the BBB can warn folks that seniors really should steer clear of Dell. I can understand perfectly why your mom said nothing to you sooner and Dell should have understood also and just taken it back. |
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Ghost_of_Roundrock Forum Troll

Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 29
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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It is important to remember a few simple things. Dell Inc. is a “Major Corporation” in the technical computer piece building process. Dell has spent many years and many more dollars to ensure that they control the market. They (Dell) are very aware of the process in building and selling a computer that is less than standard when it comes to the quality of the product.
Now let discuss the “Standards and Practices” that are used by major corporations to sell the product that they themselves do not own. Dell has people with education that rivals most ivory league colleges (if not all of them). While most of the human race is ethical and moral, Dell uses people that have loose interpretations of the words ethical and moral. These people own have one function, to separate you from our hard earned money. This is done though “Strong Arm Deployment Practices”.
Dell is not in the business to accept sales to increase profit. They are in the business to take sales (from whomever they can) to satisfy the shareholders and Wall Street. Please understand Dell is not your friend, Dell is not interested in your life, and Dell is only concerned with the bottom line.
We can look into Dells’ recent past that highlights examples that define the business practice that is being used. “21 day return policy” is a prime example of how Dell takes to keep your money. They have moved back the “Standard 30 Days” (what most all companies use) to 21 days. Someone in Dell figured that most people return their purchase in the last week of the return process, hence move the 30 days back to 21 days. Also Dell started counting the days of the 21 policy when the unit leaves the Dell Warehouse and not when the customer receives the purchase (if it takes 21 days to get to you to bad).
I guess that is enough ranting about the Evil Empire called Dell Incorporated.
BTW… The moniker that sits under my name was assigned by a moderator that hates the fact that I proved him wrong…… |
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IAMNOTASALESMAN one bitch wonder
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| Dell takes advantage of everyone, not just the elderly. It doesn't matter if who you are, where you live, what you do for a living (even if that living is working for Dell) the corp will try to take your money, or keep your money from you, and they will do anything they can to pull it off. I'm a Dell tech in Ottawa, and they are working on shutting us down... The last ditched effort to 'keep us employed' is to have all the techs sell... SELL SELL SELL. Nothing else matters anymore, I told my manager that I'm not comfortable selling to people, I used an example, if someone has 512MB of RAM and uses there computer for emailing with there children and granchildren, and there computer works just fine, why upsell them more memory, or anything for that matter? The response, 'There is always opportunity to sell, it doesn't matter whether the person is rich or on welfare, it's up to you to try and sell to them, and it's up to them to not buy if they don't want it' Incase anyone cares, I didn't sell her the 2 gigs of RAM someone at Dell care told her to ask me about... I don't understand how I still have a job, or why techs are supposed to sell things, but I'm on the job hunt, and anyone looking for an honest tech should give me a shout LOL!!!! |
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