Dell complaints

[killroy]

heh heh,

Gays running the "bidness", everything made in CHINA, and an anti-American founder with his butt stuck up in the air saying "TAKE ME"

It doesn't depict corporate America any better than the man that runs the American brothel.

Killroy

[Rocke_T_Sinetist]

Hey, callem what they are, Fucking Chinks. Not the Chinese people, but the Chinese industrialists who have, just in the past year, poisoned our dogfood, toothpaste, and kid's toys. The pirates to whom all other pirates aspire.

If Michael Dell has zero ethics, Chinese industry has even less than zero. You can count on it.

But think of the money we saved.
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Rocke T Sinetist
as in, 'it doesn't take a...'

[incident_man]

One has to wonder if the poisoning of the Chinese toys, dogfood, toothpaste, etc is deliberate or not. What a way to weaken America--by poisoning its future leaders. What gets me is that by and large, people aren't outraged enough by it. Sure, Congress has had "hearings" about it, but what has that actually done? Nothing. Meanwhile, life goes on and Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Public go down to the local Wal-Mart every weekend to load themselves up with more Chinese junk. Even greeting cards are now being made in China. F$&@ing GREETING CARDS!!!!!
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Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

[Rocke_T_Sinetist]

Maybe we're burned out on outrage. Remember how people went off when they caught Nike and Cathy Lee running Asian sweatshops? So now we just take Mikey's "word" that his junk isn't made the exact same way?

One thing has changed, the perception that what people think, or vote, makes a difference. W pretty much nailed the coffin in that one. But much as I rag on him, if I'm not mistaken the tax revisions which favored offshoring were passed by a Democratic congress under a Democratic president.

They just want you to think there's a difference, for marketing purposes. And as someone wittier (and a tad more cynical) than I said, "If voting made a difference, do you really think they'd let us do it?"
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Rocke T Sinetist
as in, 'it doesn't take a...'

[Milton]

F*** you guys. who says someone in china cant live in a suburb 20 miles away from work and have a suburban?

We do it..

What, China is not going to get rich of the US? Of course they are.

Why do Americans deserve to have a better lifestyle than anyone else?

Think about it.

It reminds me of the anti-black slavery 200 years ago. Same Difference. However it is coming to an end.
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Milton Waddams

[incident_man]

[Rocke_T_Sinetist]

You can't even put gas in a Suburban when you're paid $1.50 an hour. And the fatcats already had one. That is, the only entity in China getting rich off the US are the ones who already WERE rich.

There are lots of 'cheap' countries, but few as ripe for exploitation as China. They already had some technology infrastructure, and a ruling class that keeps the (huge) general population on the edge of desperation.

One might be given to ask if they learned it from us, or if we learned it from them. But greed and exploitation are the hallmarks of the ruling class in any country, and they will be expressed unless there are effective checks and balances.
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Rocke T Sinetist
as in, 'it doesn't take a...'

[paul_dellcc]

I don't get you guys.

This hole China thingy is nothing more but Capitalism. An economic system that the States and the "first world countries" defended with blood (do I have to remind you about anti communist policies/wars ?)
A system that in two hundred years couldn't solve a simple thing, hunger. In two hundred years the only thing Capitalism did was: rich people being richer, and poor people being more poor.

Karl Marx predicted China's supremacy 2 centuries ago, because of the massive workforce they have.

What else can I add...is the economic system you defended to death, now deal with it and don't whine.
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I see DELL people!!

If we don't remember our past, we can't understand our present and we can put in danger our future...

[Commendatore]

Milton wrote:

[paul_dellcc]

Commendatore, you sure know nothing about Karl Marx. But it's ok, I know you can't buy his books in the States, and nobody teaches about him.
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I see DELL people!!

If we don't remember our past, we can't understand our present and we can put in danger our future...

[Commendatore]

Yeah I read the Communist Manifesto years ago. You can buy it or check it out of the local public library here in America. And Das Kapital. Both hard reading Very noble ideas. Social reforms to help the people and improve their lives. Equality. No exploitation. Everybody working for the benefit of the whole. Every man a king but no man wears a crown. Teriffic.

But in practice, it doesn't work. It sucks. It makes your life miserable. There's no motivation to do anything because the quality of your life won't improve. Not everybody would do their fair share and worse, there would be a select group of people that ran the government, the hypocrites who would wear nice clothes, have beautiful homes, drive nice cars, eat sumptuous meals, and have nice things while the rest of the people are living like beggars without a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of.

About the only thing Karl Marx wrote that's practical is that force is often necessary to overthrow a government to bring about social change.

My parents left their country because of its communist government so I got this from the horse's mouth.

Pure capitalism is just as bad and I do believe that some socialism is good and necessary.

By the way paul_dellcc, I have been to your beautiful country many times and love Bueno Aires. I wish I could move there. I even acquired a taste for Yerba Mate.

[paul_dellcc]

Hahaha good to hear you like Argentina, next time you coming down here let me know

There is no communism in Cuba, it's a dictatorship. As a matter of fact, communism was never applied by any government. All the "communists" governments you saw were not what Marx described.

I want to ask you something, why there is not a single capitalist government in the world? Why there's not a single place on the globe that leaves the market with it's "invisible hand" like Adam Smith said. Why is it that Keynes got famous and last but not least, how come capitalism couldn't solve a very simple thing, hunger.

Every country's policies aim to protect their goods from outsiders, that's totally the opposite of capitalism. So who are they trying to lie to?

Capitalism needs the poor. Without 'em there's nothing to compete. But who wants to be poor?


Karl Marx was a genius, he was historian, economist, philosopher and sociologist. When I read Das Kapital I was amazed by what this guy predicted 2 hundred years ago. I've already mentioned he talked about chinese numerous workforce.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't talk about The Communist Manifesto because I am not saying communism is the way to go. What I am trying to say is that Capitalism is not, we ain't going anywhere good with that economic system.
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I see DELL people!!

If we don't remember our past, we can't understand our present and we can put in danger our future...

[Commendatore]

And I agree with you. Capitalism is another kind of system that exploits the the workers and poor. And that is an injustice. And Karl Marx had very noble ideas. But what good are ideas if they can't be put into practical use? It's strange that out of all the countries that have tried to implement a Marxist style government/society, not one has come even close to what Karl Marx had in mind.

The U.S. is as pure a Capitalist country as you're going to find. But even worse, all the social programs and laws that were put in place here in the 60's and 70's are slowly being dismantled. To the benefit of the rich. And that is an injustice.

I have heard that there are a few countries in Europe that have a good system of government in which there is the opportunity for all to earn money and better their lives as well as social programs to benefit everyone. Sweden is one such country.

Is Argentina a good place to live? I ask because I would like to move and live in a different country for awhile.

Is there bullshit there like there is here in the U.S.?

A country without bullshit. If only one could invent such a country.

[paul_dellcc]

Communism, Capitalism are not government/society "styles". They are economic systems. And no, nobody ever implemented communism nor capitalism.
As I explained on my previous post, there is no country in the world that leaves the market with it's "invisible hand" like Adam Smith explained long ago (right here is when Keynes got famous). The exact same thing happens with countries that "implemented" communism.



Argentina...tough question...
If you are planning to live in the city, downtown, I must say it's not a good place to live. You see, argentine politicians are corrupt. The argetine society is suffering this corruption and everyday we have more poor people. Children dropping school to work with their parents, or to ask for money in the street/trains/bus/whatever in the future they won't be able to apply to a decent job, most of them will turn into thieves.
So if there's bullshit in the States, in Argentina would be like x4. This a third world country who asks for unnecessary loans to the IMF or similar organisms which will tell to Argentina what policies to take, who will obviously won't benefit us.

Be careful with Sweden and northern Europe countries. They are great, but they have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Experts say it's because they have nothing to fight for, everything works.
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I see DELL people!!

If we don't remember our past, we can't understand our present and we can put in danger our future...

[Commendatore]

I had no idea that about Argentina. I guess tourists don't see everything that goes on. And I stayed in Buenos Aires for a month.