Dell complaints

[hiwaystar]

Well its been a year and the biggest turd of a OS is a year old. Hosta la Vista
Microshaft's biggest piece of shit ever. i'm glad for the rich bastards Billy Bob and his hench man bald boob Blammer. www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/30/vista-later/ www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/vistas_one-year_grade-point_average.html
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I don't give a damn what it was desiged to do.
what can it do?

[paul_dellcc]

That's something I don't understand.

20,000 people worked on Vista right ?
Or something like that.

Millions invested, result, crap. I don't get it.


Well I do, it's on purpose of course. There are people out there that can think about only one thing, money. Can't have some sort of satisfaction about making a good product...
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I see DELL people!!

If we don't remember our past, we can't understand our present and we can put in danger our future...

[incident_man]

Vista was a rush job; it was facing setback after setback after setback. It had even been shelved for a while. M$ had to release a new OS quickly at that point because XP was getting to be 5+ years old, which is an eternity for a M$ product lifecycle; people were getting antsy about it. So what they did is change or remove some of the code they couldn't fix, add a few quick things and released it. It wasn't even ready for prime time---not even close. I used to tell an old boss, "See what happens when you rush things.....they get royally f*%@ed up."
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[HellComputer]

If you've got 3G of memory, a quad core processor, spring for vista ultimate, finally get it running on your machine, and then disable automatic updates, it is usable. Suggest you run raid, as it constantly thrashes your hard disks. Yes, it is shit, but it is a "sell more HW" piece of shit... that companies like Dell and Intel just love to shove down your throat. Suppress your gag reflex, you will be ok....

[madterps]

Microsoft had some shitty operating system before, case in point Windows ME, but it looks like Vista takes the cake. Clearly, it was designed to compete with Mac OS X but it's full of bugs and compatibilities issue that's designed to keep you calling for assistance. I wonder why Microsoft is considered evil. It wouldn't have anything to do with that, would it?

[Starman97]

Vista is basically XP with a whole lot more DRM and spyware.
Microsoft made deals with Hollywood, and the only way they would play is for Microsoft to put DRM in every aspect of their Operating System.

So now you can buy a PC with a Cable tuner or BluRay player that will output HD 1080p video (encrypted with HDMI, of course)
Yeah, they reskinned it to look like OSX and added a new rev of the 3D API, DirectX v10 , but that could have just as easily been ported to XP.

It's got all sorts of callbacks to Microsoft , AKA Windows Genuine Advantage,
that constantly scans for any hardware changes and locks down the system if any major change is detected, or just a new app, or some glitch in the OS.
Then you get to call MS on your $$ and play 20 questions to get your PC turned back on.
Welcome to Vista. (buy a Mac next time)

[xp.user.1337]

Hi i bought an Acer Laptop Acer Aspire 5610z. It came with Vista Home Premium. Well Vista was slow as pond water booting up. Also acer loads alot of crap. So i formatted and installed XP Professional. Boy its a whole lot faster booting up than Vista. I did a clean install of Vista with the anytime upgrade useing the COA on the back of the laptop. I don't fully understand the Anytime Upgrade CD. The specs on my laptop are.

Intel Dule Core T2060.
1GB Ram 533 Mhz FSB
120 GB harddrive
DVD RW +R

Also i ran the Vista Upgrade Advisor after installing XP and i had some hardware that failed Oh and BTW people think Dell support is bad? Acer is worse atlease Acer has 24/7 365 support. And doese Dell charge to send a product for repair? Acer doese.
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[Serp i Molot]

Really, Vista Home Premium with SP1 is snappy and responsive (even more so than my XP install) on my Lenovo Ideapad Y510 with a 1.83 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB of RAM, and an Nvidia GeForce Go 8600M GT. It loads images faster, it opens some of my apps more smoothly than XP did. SP1 really did fix a lot of Vista's gaffes. I have been with Vista since the RC1 days. Vista does have a few rough edges though, I will conscede that in areas like software made for windows 9x (No One Lives forever doesn't play any of the soundtrack although it does play sound effects and voices) have issues but those apps are 8-10 years old and you can always run them in a Windows 9x virtual machine or in a Linux VM running WINE. Provided that you use the vista drivers, you should be fine with Vista. Hell, I can even play Far Cry on my laptop with maxed out setings and no lag whatsoever. Besides, i've had fewer crashes in Vista than XP provided that i don't play with it's legacy dial-up networking (I found a glitch in it that causes the system to hang if you are online through 56K and someone attempts to go online through the dial-up connection). Still, i'd take vista over XP any day.
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I shall hammer and sickle Dell into oblivion

[incident_man]

And here's another reason to buy a Mac or load linux on any new system:

Vista's Security Rendered Completely Useless by New Exploit

This week at the Black Hat Security Conference two security researchers will discuss their findings which could completely bring Windows Vista to its knees.

Mark Dowd of IBM Internet Security Systems (ISS) and Alexander Sotirov, of VMware Inc. have discovered a technique that can be used to bypass all memory protection safeguards that Microsoft built into Windows Vista. These new methods have been used to get around Vista's Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR), Data Execution Prevention (DEP) and other protections by loading malicious content through an active web browser. The researchers were able to load whatever content they wanted into any location they wished on a user's machine using a variety of objects, such as Java, ActiveX and even .NET objects. This feat was achieved by taking advantage of the way that Internet Explorer (and other browsers) handle active scripting in the Operating System.

While this may seem like any standard security hole, other researchers say that the work is a major breakthrough and there is very little that Microsoft can do to fix the problems. These attacks work differently than other security exploits, as they aren't based on any new Windows vulnerabilities, but instead take advantage of the way Microsoft chose to guard Vista's fundamental architecture. According to Dino Dai Zovi, a popular security researcher, "the genius of this is that it's completely reusable. They have attacks that let them load chosen content to a chosen location with chosen permissions. That's completely game over."

According to Microsoft, many of the defenses added to Windows Vista (and Windows Server 2008) were added to stop all host-based attacks. For example, ASLR is meant to stop attackers from predicting key memory addresses by randomly moving a process' stack, heap and libraries. While this technique is very useful against memory corruption attacks, it would be rendered useless against Dowd and Sotirov's new method. "This stuff just takes a knife to a large part of the security mesh Microsoft built into Vista," said Dai Zovi to SearchSecurity.com. "If you think about the fact that .NET loads DLLs into the browser itself and then Microsoft assumes they're safe because they're .NET objects, you see that Microsoft didn't think about the idea that these could be used as stepping stones for other attacks. This is a real tour de force."

While Microsoft hasn't officially responded to the findings, Mike Reavey, group manager of the Microsoft Security Response Center, said the company has been aware of the research and is very interested to see it once it has been made public. It currently isn't known whether these exploits can be used against older Microsoft Operating Systems, such as Windows XP and Windows Server 2003, but since these techniques do not rely on any one specific vulnerability, Zovi believes that we may suddenly see many similar techniques applied to other platforms or environments. "This is not insanely technical. These two guys are capable of the really low-level technical attacks, but this is simple and reusable," Dai Zovi said. "I definitely think this will get reused soon."

These techniques are being seen as an advance that many in the security community say will have far-reaching implications not only for Microsoft, but also on how the entire technology industry thinks about attacks. Expect to be hearing more about this in the near future and possibly being faced with the prospect of your "secure" server being stripped completely naked of all its protection.

Source: http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/08/08/vista39s-security-rendered-completely-useless-by-new-exploit
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[Serp i Molot]

Well, not exactly. Here is evidence to support what i'm saying http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=513 http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=512 This states that the vista exploit is hardly unfixable and can be at least be greatly minimized through updates to browsers, plugins and Windows Vista itself. Even the author of the study said that it was horribly taken out of context by the press and that the next version of flash will certainly have a patch to minimize the effect of the exploit.
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I shall hammer and sickle Dell into oblivion

[incident_man]

Sorry, but I can't agree with you. All I did was take the article and repost it here. If it is not what the author meant, then he shouldn't have wrote it. What I think that is more likely is that m$ probably shit their pants about the article and threatened to pull their adverts from Ziff Davis publications unless a "clarification" was made.
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[Serp i Molot]

I would agree with you if one of the co-authors of the study exposing the vulnerability wasn't personally stating that it was taken out of context by sensationalist journalists and Adobe wasn't releasing a fix to minimize it in the next patch for flash.
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[drawmada]

I agree that Vista is crap ... so far I've downgraded so many PCs that came with Vista it's unbelievable! Seems as if they have engineers working there. Why simplify when we can complicate? Thank god for Open Source! I got rid of windows when I saw the new option, Vista, and no regrets!

[alotofdellmonitors]

I honestly dont have a problem with vista though i do dual boot it along with xp, but it didnt start out like that. i bought an acer desktop off of craigslist (x2-4400+/1gbram upgraded to 3/320gbHD) for $275 w/vista home premium and crashed it the night before i was getting a video card shipped to me via newegg (doing something stupid when vista told me something about something not being supported, well it was on the last window i seen flashed before a screen colored blue..)

Contemplating wehther to just trash it as is and just put xp on it, or reload it.. well i let xp format it to 137gb (i have the original xp release) then installed partition magic and just formatted the remaining of the 320 and installed vista back on there and it was like on the day they released sp1.

Needless to say it preforms roughly on par for me as xp pro. some things are still rough around the edges like some games, but thats what xp's for and i just restart and 'wa-'la, best of both worlds.

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[AngelusDaemonicus]

Out of the box, Vista is impressive. 2 weeks later, it begins to show you what it's really made of... poop.
Vista 64 is even worse. the network connections clog and drop regularly... and of course can only be dealt with by rebooting.
Vista has OpenGL issues, driver compatibility issues... it's a RAM and HDD hog as well.
M$ failed. Most businesses never went to Vista at all.
Now, Windows 7 is due to show up some time next year. Let's see how that one plays out. I think people are getting fed up with Windows and M$.
Vista is exactly what ME was, a huge mistake. M$ has been making a lot of them lately.
Oh, and let's not forget Windows Mail. What a complete and utter piece of garbage.
I've got Vista Ultimate 64 on my desktop and will be formatting shortly. It's honestly just too much of a fight to keep it stable.

So, yeah... Vista really sucks.

Y'know, between Vista and DELL, Apple is really starting to sell more without having to advertise.
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