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VOC_Champion one bitch wonder
Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: VOC = A lot of bollocks |
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Hello all,
I've had a the joy of working at Dell for 9 months now. At first I was thinking it was OK. But now when i look at the new management coming in i have to wonder. It seems they are picking people solely on the basis that they are brain-dead morons who do nothing but sing from the company hyme book.
I was already an experienced technician when i joined dell, I find myself in an environment where technical knowledge is not rewarded, or even encouraged. We are all forced to use DSN (the Monkey tool) even although we do not need to. It contains various pointless steps, such as for example, updating firmware on an optical drive because it doesn't eject. Do Dell really supply optical drives with firmware that does not allow the drive to eject? No? So why update it?
All the little things that used to brush over now seem to weigh heavy on my mind. We are now being measured on talk and weight. We have to have 4 hours 30 minutes t&w each day or else we can be put on a "PIP". This basically means that instead of solving the customer’s issue, then letting them off the phone before they get pissed off, we have to keep them on, waiting while looking for parts on the piece of shit that is SPMD and dellseve. In my personal opinion, if i am taking calls and solving the issue while keeping the customer happy (by letting them off the phone quicker) what is the problem?
VOC is another area which i find really dumb. The surveys are sent out randomly to any person who dealt with a particular case. In REL client support this DOES NOT WORK, anyone can deal with a customer, there is no ownership of the customer until they require escalation. Because of this the survey is sent randomly. The customer does not even know who he is filling out a survey for.
If you haven't already guessed, i want to leave dell now. I have had enough of this corporate ass-licking crap. I resent being told that I'm not "winning with integrity" and i need to "get a winning attitude". What the hell does that mean anyway?
Stupid corporate twats.
Anyway, rant over. hello people. |
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NoRulez Regular Hater

Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 13 Location: Kimberley, SA
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: |
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VOC surveys are the only way for Dell to measure our performance/competence/human relations skills, but it is up to you to coach the client as to what the survey is all about, should they receive a VOC call. Important fact is that they must know that the survey only covers the job thay you have just done and not any other or previous issues. That will give a true reflection on you as a person.  _________________ You are what you believe! Be the Reason! Take pride in what you do! |
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Master chief conscientious beginner
Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 2
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: voc + ss + dsn = bad tech support |
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Selling the survey would you listen to yourself (NoRulez) your spouting verbal shit. You sound like a brain washed fool. I feel sorry for people like you. What dell needs is an enema, to flush out all the corporate climbers.
All that Dell verbal bull shit "be the reason", no person in their right mind believes a word of it. |
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FallenAngel Super Hater
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1516
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: VOC = A lot of bollocks |
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| VOC_Champion wrote: | | I resent being told that I'm not "winning with integrity" and i need to "get a winning attitude". What the hell does that mean anyway? |
It means, in short form, that you need to become one of those ass-licking dupes or you'll get shit canned.
Dell has completely lost touch with what's important to customers. Customers, on large average, are far more concerned with getting their issues resolved with as few phonecalls and reps as possible. They are far less interested in the "new" touchy-feely approach that Dell is aiming for.
To be chided that you're not adding enough weight to the calls is absurd and counter productive. You resolved the issue did you not? Then kudos to you and another satisfied customer. Who cares if there was little to no small talk, or that there wasn't a lot of weight to the call? You did it right, and did it the first time.
This should be praised, not down played such as it is. |
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NoRulez Regular Hater

Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 13 Location: Kimberley, SA
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: Re: voc + ss + dsn = bad tech support |
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| Master chief wrote: | Selling the survey would you listen to yourself (NoRulez) your spouting verbal shit. You sound like a brain washed fool. I feel sorry for people like you. What dell needs is an enema, to flush out all the corporate climbers.
All that Dell verbal bull shit "be the reason", no person in their right mind believes a word of it. |
Got news for you, chum! Not nearly a corporate climber... just doing contract work on behalf of Dell and taking pride in my workmanship - the reason I've been in business for 20+ years.
Working on an enormous number of different PC's and can definately say that Dell has the least problems, easiest to work on and of much better build quality than 99% of the other brands out there...
Once again: Take pride in what you do!  _________________ You are what you believe! Be the Reason! Take pride in what you do! |
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PhoneMonkey Regular Hater
Joined: 30 Apr 2008 Posts: 14
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Got to agree with you there, osme of Dells work practices make me thing, as Scott Adams puts it, that the place is being run by a bunch of drunken lemurs.
What the hell is this 65% TOL bullcrap anyway? If I'm not on the phone for 65% of my working day then I'm not being working.
Yes because I don't have to worry about calling customers back to follow up on troubleshooting, research wierd problems, spend ages trying to find a PSU for an Opitplex 755, deal with Holds & Cancels because I've got the dispatcher who wants me to check the IO Panel for every single type of fault (Noisy fan in a GX280? Have you checked the IO Panel for damage?)
Trying to find any TL who isn't in a meeting (I think those guys have meetings to discuss what they are going to bring up in the next meeting). Being put on Hold while transferring a call to Customer Don't Care (yes, being on Hold doesn't count towards TOL).
At the moment I'm told I'm being less productive than a tech who just started because he takes 4 calls a day and spends about an hour on each call while I amaveraging 21 calls a day.
And don't get me started on bloody VOC and all the bullshit we are being forced to spew onto the unwary customer.
It's very bloody awkward trying to spew the amazing amount of useless platitudes we have to make the cusotmers suffer just to get them off the phone.
"Yes you're call is all booked up now, the engineer, courier will call tomorrow between 9am and 5.30pm including lunch times. Are there any other issues I can help you with? Are you happy with the service you have recieved from Dell today? Here is your case number. If you wish to contact me regarding this case please call this number and then enter this extension number. Thank you for calling Dell"
I'm usually about a quarter of the way through this spiel befoere they hang up on me.
And to top it all, I got my first negative survey of the quarter today when a woman gave me a 1 because sales wouldn't call her back to give her a quote on memory for her sons Dell. She rang me to get a replacement for her works keyboard, which she got booked up and sent out in under 5 minutes. But I am still getting hit with the negative becuase "You didn't ask her if she had any other issues with Dell."
Dell need to wake up and realise that most people in this country don;t want the condescending "Are you happy with the service bullshit" They want their problem fixed and they want it fixed now. |
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keptman Regular Hater
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 37
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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research? research what? and like you really call the customer back once you done your 'research'? all that means is you have to take a shit and the customer is getting too long winded and you're leaving skid marks in your underware unless you freeball then you're leaving the skids on your chair.
we've all done the i'll have to research that and get back to you shit. why not have some balls and just tell the customer hey, look, i don't have that answer but if you hang on here with me, we'll look at it together. solve the issue so they don't call back and cuss you to the next rep because your shit turned into a really big shit and you ran out of toilet paper and had to ask the dude next to you who thought you were using too wide a stance and wanted a blow job.
auto-in is your friend. _________________ former dell scapegoat |
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PhoneMonkey Regular Hater
Joined: 30 Apr 2008 Posts: 14
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, I'm really gonna keep the guy hanging on the line while I go downstairs to the lab and try to replicate whatever funky problem he has on one of the aging machines in the lab.
Unlike you I like to take some pride in my work and actually do my job and help people which is getting more and more difficult with the 'policy' changes the drunken lemurs come up with. Liek the new one of not making any outbound calls without booking the tim ein advance on some crappy web application. |
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The Professional Regular Hater
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 12
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: |
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PhoneMonkey, sounds like you are in business support?
I'm an XPS tech now, but when I started at Dell in 2006, it was in ACS. They where just implementing their 'pure support' or 'gloves off' pilot here in Ottawa.
For that one year, it was a great job. Our only mandate was to resolve the issue, no matter what it took. We where not forced to use DSN, we where not bothered by management over talk times, we could do our own outbound calls whenever needed, and the customer could call our phone extension or email us. We got off-cue time to work on projects and do some real training.
The only metrics that mattered where MPR, RR and RDR. We all got great at finding a resolution quickly, getting the customer off the phone, and taking the next call. 20 calls a day where normal for us, and we where rewarded for taking a lot of calls, no accused of being unproductive. Most of management where all good people, and there was actually some meritocracy. That's why Ottawa was the best.
It all started to go downhill a bit, when the Quality Department got involved. They started telling us all the BS the customer allegedly 'wants' to hear at the beginning or end of a call. The score on quality audits started reflecting how much fluff you added into the call. It was not uncommon for a lot of the top techs to have poor QA scores, because all we where interested in was gettng the job done for the customer.
The XPS merger did away with all the good stuff. It probably killed the Ottawa site. Working in XPS is like a sweatshop. Can't wait for it all to be over |
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keptman Regular Hater
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 37
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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you suck as a tech there phonechimp. how in the world are you going to replicate what they user did at home? unless you have installed what they did, you almost certainly can't replicate their screw up. which is why you should use, um, what's it called? um, it's something, it's on the tip of my tongue...oh yeah, the internet and look up forums that other people have left comments about the same error. you know what? you may even find the solution there. i used that modern marvle the internet there to find a forum to solve an oil leak on my truck. so if something is out there about my very same issue on the truck, there MUST be something out there regarding their issues too. i mean, they can't be the only one out there with that type of problem unless they wrote a program that only they have and it's causing problems. you're lazy. face it, you don't want to look up the problem. you'd rather ditch the customer by telling them you need to research something. research it with them on the phone with you. tell them where you are looking. and when you get the answer, tell them where you found it. that chimpboy is true customer service. sounds like you are in the wrong field. male monkeys are good at masturbating, so maybe you should try to find someone who will pay you to do that to yourself rather than to the customer calling in with problems? _________________ former dell scapegoat |
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PhoneMonkey Regular Hater
Joined: 30 Apr 2008 Posts: 14
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| keptman wrote: | | you suck as a tech there phonechimp. how in the world are you going to replicate what they user did at home? unless you have installed what they did, you almost certainly can't replicate their screw up. which is why you should use, um, what's it called? um, it's something, it's on the tip of my tongue...oh yeah, the internet and look up forums that other people have left comments about the same error. you know what? you may even find the solution there. i used that modern marvle the internet there to find a forum to solve an oil leak on my truck. so if something is out there about my very same issue on the truck, there MUST be something out there regarding their issues too. i mean, they can't be the only one out there with that type of problem unless they wrote a program that only they have and it's causing problems. you're lazy. face it, you don't want to look up the problem. you'd rather ditch the customer by telling them you need to research something. research it with them on the phone with you. tell them where you are looking. and when you get the answer, tell them where you found it. that chimpboy is true customer service. sounds like you are in the wrong field. male monkeys are good at masturbating, so maybe you should try to find someone who will pay you to do that to yourself rather than to the customer calling in with problems? |
LOL. You so funny!!!
You obviously have no idea what it is to be a tech do you?
You think all techs do is sit in front of a PC and google peoples questions? Would you be happy with a tech support person googling a problem that you know to be a design flaw?
I'll give you an example that happened to me. Chap phone din with a D531 having a problem with the quickset software. I go to the lab, grab a D531, install quickset and lo and behold - same problem. Now I know it's a problem with the software on that particular model, I can go phone the customer back say "Yes, that's doing hte same thing here, I'll pass it to Level three and keep you posted" one week later there is a new revision of quickset out to fix the problem. Or I can try and fob him off with "it must be your software configuration, go and reinstall your OS a couple dozen times" like a lazy tech like yourself would do cos you can't find it on google.
It;s called being pro-active and not taking your frustratins with Dell out on someone who doesn;t deserve it.
If you were a Dell tech and got canned then you certainly deserved it with an attitude like that. |
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PhoneMonkey Regular Hater
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| The Professional wrote: | PhoneMonkey, sounds like you are in business support?
I'm an XPS tech now, but when I started at Dell in 2006, it was in ACS. They where just implementing their 'pure support' or 'gloves off' pilot here in Ottawa.
For that one year, it was a great job. Our only mandate was to resolve the issue, no matter what it took. We where not forced to use DSN, we where not bothered by management over talk times, we could do our own outbound calls whenever needed, and the customer could call our phone extension or email us. We got off-cue time to work on projects and do some real training.
The only metrics that mattered where MPR, RR and RDR. We all got great at finding a resolution quickly, getting the customer off the phone, and taking the next call. 20 calls a day where normal for us, and we where rewarded for taking a lot of calls, no accused of being unproductive. Most of management where all good people, and there was actually some meritocracy. That's why Ottawa was the best.
It all started to go downhill a bit, when the Quality Department got involved. They started telling us all the BS the customer allegedly 'wants' to hear at the beginning or end of a call. The score on quality audits started reflecting how much fluff you added into the call. It was not uncommon for a lot of the top techs to have poor QA scores, because all we where interested in was gettng the job done for the customer.
The XPS merger did away with all the good stuff. It probably killed the Ottawa site. Working in XPS is like a sweatshop. Can't wait for it all to be over |
Yeah, that's the same story, i work DBS in Glasgow and at the beginning it was exactly the same. call target was 10 a day and time off for casework or training.
Nowadays we don;t know if were coming or going with all the 'policy changes' that are supposed to make us more productive but do exactly the opposite, such as the new idea that we have to book outbound time in Aspect before we can call a customer back. It makes a mockery of the whole "Service First" that was drilled into us from the beginning. |
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keptman Regular Hater
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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chimp, you're not getting it. perhaps you're set up differently over the pond, but you don't simply blow off a customer to say "i'm going to research it". resolve the issue. but what really blows my mind, you said it yourself, you knew it to be a flaw. so...why no resolution? perhaps you've never heard of "don's tips" or any other tool available to you? for the life of me i can't understand why a tech needs to make an outbound call for other than a one line modem call. that my friend comes from being a tech AND moving into the CCO department. reps need to be in their seats taking the calls, utilizing the tools available to them. solve the issue, even if it's simply, hey this is a known issue and dell is aware but has no solution as of yet. don't you think that being honest would be best rather than jerk the customer around by saying you'll research it only to come up with the same problem and STILL NO SOLUTION to it? from call center ops view, calls are backing up because of people with your attitude of doing research. you deal with each caller, then you hit auto-in for the next one. again, other than a one line modem call, from an ops view, there is no other reason for an outbound call being made by an inbound tech, or chimp in your case. sorry dude. been there, done it. _________________ former dell scapegoat |
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biff's buddy Hates with a Vengance
Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 63
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| keptman wrote: | | again, other than a one line modem call, from an ops view, there is no other reason for an outbound call being made by an inbound tech, or chimp in your case. sorry dude. been there, done it. |
hmmm .... cell phone battery, cordless phone battery, line noise, powercycle.... there are ALL kinds of legitimate reasons for an inbound agent to be on an outbound call and perhaps CE is the biggest. As for utilizing resources, you had better make sure that these resources can be linked to a DSN article or you can and will be written up, particularly if one of these 3rd party resolves causes unforseen issues down the road..
BTW, CCO is at least as big a joke as QA, "Dell accolades" impress nobody here. |
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poormanq45 came back and replied a few times
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: Re: VOC = A lot of bollocks |
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| VOC_Champion wrote: | Do Dell really supply optical drives with firmware that does not allow the drive to eject? No? So why update it?
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The reason to update it is in the hopes that it'll reset the settings in the firmware.
It is a possiblity that something caused the firmware to go haywire.
It is afterall a piece of software. Software sometimes becomes corrupt.
On that note, i've never bothered with that step either as its stupid. LOL.
Just replace the damn drive.
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All the little things that used to brush over now seem to weigh heavy on my mind. We are now being measured on talk and weight. We have to have 4 hours 30 minutes t&w each day or else we can be put on a "PIP". This basically means that instead of solving the customer’s issue, then letting them off the phone before they get pissed off, we have to keep them on, waiting while looking for parts on the piece of shit that is SPMD and dellseve. In my personal opinion, if i am taking calls and solving the issue while keeping the customer happy (by letting them off the phone quicker) what is the problem?
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Um... I can, and do, get the customer off the phone on average in 6 minutes.
Is that too long? |
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