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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:22 am    Post subject: This site is under attack Reply with quote

Looks like the dark forces are at work to try any tactic to make this site less visible to potential scam victims. I will gladly join the ranks to delete this crap. Send me a note and let me know if I can help.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, we'll take it under advisement. When I go back to work I won't be available 12 hrs a day to delete porn spam like I am now. Every time I look there's more.

Do you have a content filter? If you turn it on, does it block this site? I don't know what percentage of adults use a content filter other than for their children's accounts.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Dell Hates This Site Reply with quote

Our sources have reported that if an e-mail is sent to any @dell.com address with a reference to this site it will be blocked.
It has been reported Dell hates this site and monitors it very closely.
We have been told Dell is also is aggressively doing all they can to make sure this site has little representation on search engines.
If this site reaches a point where it has considerable impact and it can, then I am sure Dell will go as far as they can to take it out.
Dell does not play fair at any level.
Abiding by the laws of the land means nothing to them as can be seen in their handling of employee and customer issues.
Remember to Dell this is not play.
We have heard that Dell feels that they are adequately controlling this site.
The lifeblood of Dell comes straight from hell itself.
Selfish and pure evil will go to no end to preserve itself.
Don't underestimate their desperation at the slightest bit of truth that appears on this site.
No criticism intended to the moderators but it would be good if they would remove spam as quickly as it appears.
It is is a tough time consuming job.
I am involved with several large blogs and heavy use bulletin board sites.
This site is being targeted far more than what I would considerable reasonable. I am sure this so that ihatedell.net is blocked as much as possible on search engines and e-mail filters.
If I can be of any help let me know.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they weren't being nefarious, they wouldn't be Dell. For that matter, if they put as much effort into products and service as they do into chicanery and conniving, they wouldn't HAVE an image problem.

The site originator and former owner knew how to get first-page representation on Google. The current owner has no such knowledge, and apparently no budget for consultants to do it for him. Though it would be in his best interest, as it's just an advertising vehicle to him (as most sites are) and search results = number of eyeballs.

I did what I could do, on the index page I put 'Dell' and 'problems', 'complaints' etc in adjacent proximity thinking Google would pick up on that. It doesn't seemed to have changed anything.

And yes, I highly suspect Dell has made sure every spammer network has this address in their records. Including child pornographers, at roughly the same ethical level as Dell.

On that issue, I went to both the Texas Attorney General and the FBI sites to find a way to report child porn spammers, but found no such utility. All we can do is delete them, a dozen times a day.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Dell Hates This Site Reply with quote

nashdell wrote:
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It has been reported Dell hates this site and monitors it very closely.

After reviewing the Jarvis interview and associated comments, it is clear that this site is monitored on a regular basis by Mikie himself. He uses it for ideas, and for info he can use against employees. It seems that spending a million bucks to buy or kill this site would be a no-brainer, however even Mikie can figured out that another one would just pop up to replace it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikey offered a pittance (something on the order of $200-$2000) to buy this site years ago, the original owner refused. But he moved on, had other things to do, and sold it. The present owner is anonymous to everyone except the founder, who would not have sold it to Dell.

If you're thinking he accidentally sold it to a front for Dell, that makes little sense they would leave it operating and at the same time expend so much energy monitoring and/or sabotaging it. I'd also presume he researched the credentials of the person buying it. HR went to a GREAT deal of effort scaring employees from posting here.

But who knows? MD himself might be sitting in his office watching me type this. (Rocke moons computer just in case.)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Media Attention Reply with quote

Not to telegraph punches but..
After the 1st of the year this site will get some media attention with the URL getting several mentions and postings on national TV.
Several posts on this site will be the subject on a nationally syndicated radio show.
There will be more of this to come.
This is what will get the site past the Dell imposed filtering.
This is already in the works.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mainstream media researches this site and their own works get reposted here thanks to our diligent contributors.

Anyone know how Google works? What's this 'metatag' thing? I don't know whether I have access to that parameter, but if I knew what to put in it I would go look for it.

Good news, Nash. Guess we better keep our act tight.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rocke_T_Sinetist wrote:
All we can do is delete them, a dozen times a day.


Just as I do every night. (Can't do it during the day anymore - I received a sit-down with our VP regarding "non-business" Internet sites. Pleading my position as a moderator didn't sway him at all.)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And if they knew it was 'non-business' they knew exactly what it was. Don't take chances HRL. When I was at Dell I never went to any site who wasn't a vendor. 'Course, lotta good that did me, I got laid off with everyone else.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I have been told when Dell is looking to get rid of some tenured people they simply have IT look on the computer they are using for any software that is non compliant. Then they fire the person.
This is not a method to get rid of a bad employee but rather someone who is naive enough to do the moral and right things.
This person poses the absolute greatest threat to Dell management more so than loss of revenue. This type of management is on their own type of meritocratic system. They are targeted to their small group and their internal Dell scam.
These groups seem to thrive in the Dell meritocracy without any concern shown from Michael Dell.
They seem to have the blessing from the upper management.

As an example the Ombudsman system at Dell is a total scam. Employees have gone to the Ombudsman with hard evidence of things that could hurt Dell.
The result was to find out that Dell was the root source of the problem.
Michael Dell was supposedly informed and did nothing.
He must keep the underling "yes men" happy!
We have heard that Dell in their arrogance will still create a subterfuge to minimize their liability should they be dealing with an intelligent person with some resources.

We have heard when sending what they perceive as a problem employee to the street non compliant software will be placed on their computer, then documented.
The machine would be logged into with admin privileges then the date of install changed. On the surface looks pretty iron clad.
This was heard from a person who claims that they used to be part of this type of internal setup.

There are however certain little known loopholes in the laws of the non "right to work" states.
There are some little known federal laws that have yet to be invoked against Dell.
This is a real and tangible fear that keeps Dell legal worried.
This is why we are told a dedicated group is supposedly looking for the "worst of the web" and then creating the posts you see on this site.
This is in hopes that the site will be blocked and it will have a low profile.
This would keep some of the worst stories from getting any attention.

Logic would dictate that the time would be better spent in correcting their problems with their HR department, scamming management, their now non existent customer service, sagging sales and how about IDD, Synergy, Dellserve, Talisma and Doms.
If they would stop selling machines with a negative margin forcing sales people in corners and lying to customers.
If they would get honest about Dell financial services and stop scamming customers and their sales staff with the lying, fast talking and crooked billing practices.
That would go a long way to keeping them solvent.

We have heard that scamming management is the reason that IDD, Synergy and Doms are so bad.
If this is the case, then Dell stockholders need to know.
We are told IDD goes down all the time crippling the tech support section.
It is reported most of the sales force use IDD and Synergy and are not as dependent or trained on Doms as in the past.
When IDD goes down many of the sales reps have no idea how to use Doms.
All this horrible software riddled with bad code produces more downtime and loss of revenue than any possible loss of business as a result of this site.
However these same horrible tools can be used to the advantage of the unscrupulous Dell management who exist only in a survival mode.
These software tools will never be implemented properly as it would bring to a halt the activities of the scamming managers who exploit the impaired software for their personal gain!
We have heard about a method of killing a sale from the website only to have a highly favored sales person then re-place the order.
These are the things that would upset stockholders and the folks from the SEC.

Keeping this site a low profile is a priority to "Dealing with Ambiguity"
Evil people fixate on any method that can bring some truth to light.
So they fiddle and watch Rome burn!

Any good business consultant (not Michael Dells yes men) would demand that they fix their internal problems and forget about this web site!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This used to be a great site. With publicity in important radio programs, number 1-2 in Google search depending on the key word used. We had around 150 users visiting the site per day lots of customers looking for help, lots of Dell employees - ex employees helping them...

...until Tom sold it to Dell.

Sporm and not even notice on Goolge showed up right IhateDell.net was purchased by Dell. Yes, it's Dell, who would like to have porn everywhere ?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul_dellcc wrote:
...until Tom sold it to Dell.

Sorry to say, it really is the most plausible explanation for what we have here.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep in mind Dell has hit a saturation level in dissatisfaction and bad reputation. They publish all kinds of bullshit but lets just look at the numbers.
HP has left Dell in the dust. To get an accurate picture of the situation we have to keep in mind that HP is not a great or milestone company.
Dell is just so bad they make HP a reasonable solution when purchasing a computer.
It could be that the main course of people already know what Dell is and just first glance at this site only confirms what they already know.
Most customers have been stung more than once so I would think the majority are somewhat passive.
They have already been screwed several times and the shock of the rape is over.
Everyone knows what Dell is all about.
Still no reason to let up on this site even if it is a toy of Michael's.
If there really is a Devil and a Hell apart from Dell all the more reason to publish the truth and give the culprits no excuse.
From what I have read St Peter is at the golden gate and does not "deal with ambiguity"!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wouldn't jump to that conclusion, but I can't deny the possibility. I doubt he would knowingly sell it to Dell.

Still, the spam started appearing immediately after the sale, and continued even with the addition of the 'security code' which barely slowed it down and wasn't necessary before.

I don't know how Tom kept it high in Google results. I tried to influence that with keywords and it had no effect. It is apparent the current owner makes no effort.

Legitimate postings have fallen way off, both from customers and employees, the former attributable to the lower Google prominence and the latter to HR's scare tactics. So yeah, it begins to look feasible that Dell bought it and made it all but inconsequential, rather than shutting it down outright. But shutting it down would only be obvious to US--the people who were already here--it wouldn't be a public PR problem for them. So why go to all the bother and subterfuge? Unless they just LIKE subterfuge.
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