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socal dell hater Regular Hater
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 10
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject: The Customer Is Always Right |
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Adhering to the the concept of "the customer is always right" (not an idiot) would go a long way toward improving Dell's interactions with their customers & improve customer relations & satisfaction. IMO. _________________ Dude, Ya Gotta Get Away from Dell |
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StrangeFarer Hates with a Vengance
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 56
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: The Customer Is Always Right |
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| socal dell hater wrote: | | Adhering to the the concept of "the customer is always right" (not an idiot) would go a long way toward improving Dell's interactions with their customers & improve customer relations & satisfaction. IMO. |
Except that the customer is NOT always right. In point of fact, they are rarely right.
Example: We send them an invoice with clearly-marked instructions in bold lettering to check their items when they get them, against the shipping invoice, to ensure that all items have arrived, and to contact Dell immediately if something is wrong or missing. Most don't. At all. Ever. And then complain 2+ years later that they didn't get something. And you know what? We eat the cost of replacing stuff- every day, all day long.
Example: We clearly tell the customer that it will be X business days before Event A occurs. Most customers, even businesspeople who run their own operations and MUST understand that concept, blatantly ignore it, claiming they were told no such thing. This applies to service, to shipping, to warranty and grace periods, to EVERYTHING we do.
Example: Customer is told that we'll do what we can to clean up the virus they allowed onto their system by REFUSING to run Liveupdate for a YEAR, but that it's quite possible that there's been far too much water under that bridge, and that the OS may require a clean OSRI to restore the machine to usability. When we say this, they clearly indicate to us that they understand and accept those terms. We then proceed to do what we can to AVOID that OSRI, because it's TWO FREAKING HOURS LONG AT LEAST for us, and we own every phase of it- sometimes quite painfully, with the customer whining about how they can't follow our directions BECAUSE they have this or that degree in law or medicine or physics, and this makes them somehow incompetent to use a computer. So we work, hard, to try to fix it...after an hour, maybe even 30 minutes, we determine that it's a lost cause- the customer has simply neglected their machine far too long before asking for help, and the OSRI is an inevitability. We do the beast, and finally arrive at the point where the machine is fully functional, all Dell-loaded applications are loaded, reasonable measures have been taken to prevent this mess from happening again, and the customer has been educated on how it happened the first time, and how not to make the same mistake twice. We then ask them the dreaded question- were you satisfied with your Dell experience? At this point, the customer immediately tells us no, because they wanted a magic wand for their measly 50 buck fee, and that it took too long, and that we should have magically fixed the system with no data loss, and that their favorite spyware-laden game isn't loaded from the "free" website they got it from.
At this point, we're forced, with no call-control skills allowed on our part, to immediately send them to the refund queue, where they get their 50 bucks back.
A person (a customer) is smart. People (customerS) are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.
Whomever coined the phrase "...the customer is always right..." should have been hanged immediately, along with all witnesses to the utterance. |
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paul_dellcc Super Hater

Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 1960 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:14 am Post subject: |
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StrangeFarer, I entirely agree with you. _________________ I see DELL people!!
If we don't remember our past, we can't understand our present and we can put in danger our future... |
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i_escaped_dell Dances with Hate

Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 206
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| The customer may not always be right or ever be right. They do though deserve to be respected. They paid for Dell's hardware or service and deserve it. |
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StrangeFarer Hates with a Vengance
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 56
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| i_escaped_dell wrote: | | The customer may not always be right or ever be right. They do though deserve to be respected. They paid for Dell's hardware or service and deserve it. |
Except that, many times, they never paid for the product or service they're demanding.
They buy the most cheap-ass warranty they can get their hands on (90 days, mail-in, etc.), then on day 91, start demanding we extend, extend, extend.
They have it made clear to them that if they spill something into their computer, it's THEIR fault, NOT Dell's. Yet they blame us.
We make it abundantly clear (and have, for many years, now) in the software coverage section of our Break The Seal initial setup process, as well as in the hardcopy and online versions of our warranties, that software support of ANY kind is not covered under their standard warranty, and that the frontline technician's only job in that respect is to put it back the way it came out of the box. Nothing more. NOTHING MORE. Nevermore! Yet, every day, our frontline and DOC technicians are verbally assaulted by IDIOTS who have never ONCE read the agreements they made with us concerning the warranty. I've had freakin' JUDGES do this. People who should KNOW better. It's like they sit down in front of a computer and immediately jab a butterknife through their temple across their frontal lobes, or something.
In short, they deserve exactly what they paid for from us. For many years, Dell and other manufacturers have been giving more than was paid for, all of the above, and then some. But we simply can't afford to do that anymore. We can't. Not when the customers themselves are ALSO demanding a sub-$500 computer at the same time. Dell has already screwed its employees out of piles of benefits and perks in the last few years, to pay for these greedy service thieves' appetites. So, when you hear an employee venting frustration, realize that it's directly because of these same customers that we barely get raises anymore, there's never any budget for promotions ("hiring freeze", anyone?), our bonuses get cut to 5% because the damnable Consumer division didn't make money (even though everyone else did), our stock prices are in the toilet, and we seem to hire from the lowest common denominator for our new management.
Respect is earned. You get one, and ONLY one freebie from me (and many others) on that score. You blow it by trying to steal service or goods from my company, or by abusing me while I'm trying to help you, and you've lost the most important advocate you could hope for within this company. |
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socal dell hater Regular Hater
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 10
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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I don't doubt your view is correct based on your experience. Mine is too.
I'm paying over $200 just to get Dell out of my life and to protect my credit score. I got nothing but frustration out of my experience with Dell. And I don't believe that anyone would think a customer who complains about a computer that doesn't work, out of the box, is not right.
All I wanted was a working computer, even if it took another field tech visit and another harddrive, etc. Fine, whatever, work out the bugs, move on, live happily ever after (with a 3 year onsite service plan). However, after reading many of the topics and posts here, I am happier to pay the $200 and be rid of Dell. Its the net present value of avoiding future frustration and dealings with D(H)ell.
So they get my money and I get to tell a true story of why I will never do business with them again, and why I encourage everyone I ever meet to avoid Dell products, at all costs. They earned it, they'll get it. I hope the $200 is worth it to them. (Don't think I'm naive enough to think they know OR care, I don't they don't). _________________ Dude, Ya Gotta Get Away from Dell |
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Sgt.Pepper came back and replied a few times
Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 8
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| socal dell hater wrote: | I don't doubt your view is correct based on your experience. Mine is too.
I'm paying over $200 just to get Dell out of my life and to protect my credit score. I got nothing but frustration out of my experience with Dell. And I don't believe that anyone would think a customer who complains about a computer that doesn't work, out of the box, is not right.
All I wanted was a working computer, even if it took another field tech visit and another harddrive, etc. Fine, whatever, work out the bugs, move on, live happily ever after (with a 3 year onsite service plan). However, after reading many of the topics and posts here, I am happier to pay the $200 and be rid of Dell. Its the net present value of avoiding future frustration and dealings with D(H)ell.
So they get my money and I get to tell a true story of why I will never do business with them again, and why I encourage everyone I ever meet to avoid Dell products, at all costs. They earned it, they'll get it. I hope the $200 is worth it to them. (Don't think I'm naive enough to think they know OR care, I don't they don't). |
Sound like you have a DFS account even thoguh i work for Dell i am not that crazy...20 +% intrest crazy fees please it's cheaper to save the money or bleed for it.
My biggist issue is Media, i have way too many custs calling waiting their tiem and mine issueing this we need to just go back to sending it out giving a check box to send all the stuff out first time for free. I wonder how much MRI has reduced caost over all compared just sending it out |
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TimeFlux conscientious beginner
Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 2
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:05 am Post subject: |
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I've gotta agree with StrangeFarer on this. There are only three reasons a customer will call Dell: 3. They don't have a computer or don't have access to one and can't purchase online; 2. They think they can get a better deal over the phone rather than online, which is usually true; and the number one reason customers call Dell is because they have no clue as to what they want.
socal dell hater, I do see where you're comin' from. I used to think the same way. "The customer is always right and everyone who doesn't think that is wrong". After working for Dell (Yes, I used to work for Dell), I was amazed by how wrong I had been about that.
No offense to any Dell customer here, but most customers are complete idiots. They have no clue as to what they want, which is where my job came in. I find out what they want their computer for and how much they're willing to spend, then I tell them what they need.
And one last thing, I have never once told a customer they were wrong nor have I thought it unless I was certain they were. Even then, I would only explain things in a way to make them think. I left it up to the customer to change their view if thats what they were going to do. And if they don't? "I'm sorry, but I've done everything I can to help you. Let me get you over to someone who has more experience in this area than I do. Thank you for choosing Dell". I don't think I ever put it like that exactly, but you get the idea.
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FallenAngel Super Hater
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1492
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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"The customer is always right, unless they're wrong."
That old addage is still as true today as it ever was. Yet droves of customers call with unrealistic "demands" and pass it off with the "customer is always right" motto. I can't recall just how many times I've heard it, and had to tell people (yes I have told them flat out) "Sorry, that's not the case. No one is saying that you're not right, I hear what you're saying but what's being said isn't possible or correct."
I've never been one to shy away from telling people they're being unreasonable. If you are, I'll tell you. It's what I do best - de-escalate. I make you so angry that you have to think about what you're saying and that usually gives us both enough time to calm down and think rationally.
Using "the customer is always right" is not a "get out of stupidity free" card. It's an excuse for greed. Plain and simple.
If you present to me, a valid enough argument to substantiate your hostility, then usually I'll concede and admit that yes, you were right. It's part of the job profile, to fix issues. If you ask me for something unreasonable then you'll be left with nothing but a failed head-to-head with a Manager. If you're expectations are reasonable, then you'll get what you want.
The issue with people is that they use that motto as a crutch. They can't live without it. They would die without it. They all have this bizarre sense of "entitlement". Like they're somehow entitled to $500 replacement software for a system that is 2 years old, cost $600 altogether, and they lost the original.
The "always right" part would fall into, you lost your CD. But you and your sense of "entitlement" can go buy a new copy of the CD you lost, 'cause we didn't make you lose it.
Once the consumer mass gets a hold of the fact that they aren't "entitled" to anything more than the sum of what they paid for, they'd get the idea that no one screwed you but you. |
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Rocke_T_Sinetist Moderator
Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 2607 Location: DFW airport
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Yet droves of customers call with unrealistic "demands" and pass it off with the "customer is always right" motto. | Worse, the 'droves' screw it up for people with actual problems.
As little slack as I cut Dell, I actually believe if it weren't for the 'droves', Dell wouldn't treat customers as adversarily as they do. _________________ Rocke T Sinetist
as in, 'it doesn't take a...' |
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ShaftDu Dances with Hate

Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 585
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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ha!
Customers are right until we educate them.
Customer: Dell just rip me off. My last Dell had Word and Access so I order a new one and it didn't come with it.
Me: Did you order MS Office Pro?
Customer: Isn't it the same as XP.
Me: Errr no, one is a Application software and XP is a operating software
Customer: NOOOO, my first Dell Window ME had WORD? You are wrong and I am right. |
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FallenAngel Super Hater
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1492
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Yet another prime example. Follow that up with, "How am I supposed to know what I need?"
That's the link right there...if you DON'T know, then what are you doing?! If you don't know what you need to get shit done, then take a class or something and quit blaming others for your own inept attitude.
I hear the follow up all the time.  |
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