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DrDuKeS
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Overseas Outsourcing Reply with quote

Personally I found it annoying when I had to transfer a customer to an <insert overseas country here>. I'd start by saying something like, "Hi this is Joe from Dell hardware warranty support. I have a customer on the other line who's having issues with their <insert system type> and was wondering if you could help them out. "... almost always they'd ask me "my" service tag number, address, etc. I'd be like, "I just told you I'm not the customer. I'm a Dell employee".

So then they'd ask for the customer to be transfered over and then they'd do the exact same thing to the customer and ignore what I just told them.

Then they'd start asking the customer what the problem was even though I JUST told them.

It was REALLY frustrating so I just stopped talking to them. I'd just transfer the customer without talking to the other person. Let the customer get pissed off instead of me. I don't get paid enough for this shit.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Personally I found it annoying when I had to transfer a customer to an <insert overseas country here>. I'd start by saying something like, "Hi this is Joe from Dell hardware warranty support. I have a customer on the other line who's having issues with their <insert system type> and was wondering if you could help them out. "... almost always they'd ask me "my" service tag number, address, etc. I'd be like, "I just told you I'm not the customer. I'm a Dell employee".

So then they'd ask for the customer to be transfered over and then they'd do the exact same thing to the customer and ignore what I just told them.

Then they'd start asking the customer what the problem was even though I JUST told them.

It was REALLY frustrating so I just stopped talking to them. I'd just transfer the customer without talking to the other person. Let the customer get pissed off instead of me. I don't get paid enough for this shit.


You're not the only one that finds that annoying. That is pretty much classic when it comes to transfering calls to overseas. I've had that happen to me so many times I just wanted to strangle them. There's one particular incident that comes to mind back when Pure Support was around.

A Canadian caller ended up in the US corporate queue. She was nice so I figured I'd at least see what her issue was before transferring her. I made notes, had the issue figured out (it was an easy one) and warm transferred her. It took me 15 minutes on the phone just to tell the bonehead in India what was going on. I was like uh, can you not see my notes in Dellserv right now???? Get this, the guy kept putting me on hold as I'm trying warm transfer. Like WTF are you doing over there??? Anyways finally I put the lady through, I listened in for a bit before releasing to make sure she was taken care of. It was really sad man, that mutherf*cker started right from the beginning reading right from a script like it was the Holy Gospel on Sunday. Totally ignored everything I told him.

The next day I followed up on that case just to see what happened. Poor lady spent almost 3 hours on the phone and spoke to two other techs in India before they replaced the required part. A resolution I had already concluded within the first 15 minutes of talking to her. All that idiot in India had to do was dispatch. Sad but true, just another day in the life.....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly, quite a few of the techs over in India are very reluctant to dispatch parts because they get dinged for it. I honestly believe that they put the customer through the works, troubleshooting this, disassembling that, and reinstalling something else to try to keep from dispatching anything and discourage them from calling back. Another trick I saw all the freakin' time was to convince the customer that no matter what, it's a software problem and rush them off to DOC. I even had my own run-in with a supposed tech support manager and flat out told him that I knew why he didn't want to do a system exchange after 3 parts replacements, that his department is penalised for doing exchanges and that's why he was giving me flack about it. Man was he pissed.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to be fair, I was one of those reps that would ignore everything that you said and take the call and go through the motions all over again.

Why?

9/10 times the transferring rep was a complete f**k up and did no troubleshooting, or transferred an issue that was clearly NOT in our scope of support. The case notes? Laughable at best.

So sometimes the receiving rep will just ignore you basing it on the numbers that you are likely 1 of the 9 of 10 that are complete jackoffs that shouldn't be working in a call center, and just dumping a call.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: Overseas Outsourcing Reply with quote

DrDuKeS wrote:
Personally I found it annoying when I had to transfer a customer to an <insert overseas country here>. I'd start by saying something like, "Hi this is Joe from Dell hardware warranty support. I have a customer on the other line who's having issues with their <insert system type> and was wondering if you could help them out. "... almost always they'd ask me "my" service tag number, address, etc. I'd be like, "I just told you I'm not the customer. I'm a Dell employee".

So then they'd ask for the customer to be transfered over and then they'd do the exact same thing to the customer and ignore what I just told them.

Then they'd start asking the customer what the problem was even though I JUST told them.

It was REALLY frustrating so I just stopped talking to them. I'd just transfer the customer without talking to the other person. Let the customer get pissed off instead of me. I don't get paid enough for this shit.


Dude, when you get a transfer call from another Dell rep, don't you VPACE the customer, ask he/she what the problem is Question

If you don't do that, you are violating QA standards which will result in a policy violation.

Of course it's annoying, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Don't like it, go somewhere else.

FallenAngel wrote:
Just to be fair, I was one of those reps that would ignore everything that you said and take the call and go through the motions all over again.

Why?

9/10 times the transferring rep was a complete f**k up and did no troubleshooting, or transferred an issue that was clearly NOT in our scope of support. The case notes? Laughable at best.

So sometimes the receiving rep will just ignore you basing it on the numbers that you are likely 1 of the 9 of 10 that are complete jackoffs that shouldn't be working in a call center, and just dumping a call.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh God, did someone mention QA? What a waste of time, effort and money. If they needed money so bad they could get rid of QA. No one pays attention to that crap, most techs don't read their QA audits or just make fun of it. It's so freakin' lame. The rep failed to VA, the rep VA'd before a VA trigger, the rep could of, the rep should have, the rep didn't, the rep failed to, the rep should not, the rep failed to follow step by step tree in DSN even though strangely enough one doesn't exist....ad nauseum. Maybe we should just swap places with QA and see how they do.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CLCP4ME wrote:
Oh God, did someone mention QA? What a waste of time, effort and money. If they needed money so bad they could get rid of QA. No one pays attention to that crap, most techs don't read their QA audits or just make fun of it. It's so freakin' lame. The rep failed to VA, the rep VA'd before a VA trigger, the rep could of, the rep should have, the rep didn't, the rep failed to, the rep should not, the rep failed to follow step by step tree in DSN even though strangely enough one doesn't exist....ad nauseum. Maybe we should just swap places with QA and see how they do.


That's another problem.

I've already talked about it here, QA people never been on the phones, otherwise they could never make those stupid policies.

The reason I mentioned QA in this topic was to explain why reps must ask those silly questions over and over. And I disagree with you about no one giving a rat's ass about QA reports, cause you earn money upon them. If you fail to comply QA standards not only you won't earn more money, you can be fired.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only benefit to dancing with QA is just like was mentioned, pay evaluations and raises and things like that. There is no other real benefit to them, because QA auditors would be out of a job if they actually took the time to look at WHY these people were failing.

Internal policies that are so backhanded it's pathetic.

QA, if done and applied properly, should root out the "bad apples" but also at the same time expose flaws in the system and the policies, hence re-evaluating what they are doing and how they are doing it - which should lead to a better experience the next time around.

That will never happen in my lifetime though. QA is just a token and arbitrary measure in which Dell can apply the chokehold to you if they should so decide.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wanted to add a post to clear up something...
Do not confuse the term Outsourcing with Offshoring...
Dell has a lot of badged employees offshore... people mistakenly think they work for some other company and call that Outsourcing... where as they are Dell badged... they just live in another country - Offshoring...
Walmart - pushed the little man out of buisness...
Dell - Pushed America's Techs into another line of work...
Globalization/NAFTA - it won't hurt anyone ... Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CLCP4ME wrote:

A Canadian caller ended up in the US corporate queue. She was nice so I figured I'd at least see what her issue was before transferring her. I made notes, had the issue figured out (it was an easy one) and warm transferred her. It took me 15 minutes on the phone just to tell the bonehead in India what was going on. I was like uh, can you not see my notes in Dellserv right now???? Get this, the guy kept putting me on hold as I'm trying warm transfer. Like WTF are you doing over there??? Anyways finally I put the lady through, I listened in for a bit before releasing to make sure she was taken care of. It was really sad man, that mutherf*cker started right from the beginning reading right from a script like it was the Holy Gospel on Sunday. Totally ignored everything I told him.

The next day I followed up on that case just to see what happened. Poor lady spent almost 3 hours on the phone and spoke to two other techs in India before they replaced the required part. A resolution I had already concluded within the first 15 minutes of talking to her. All that idiot in India had to do was dispatch. Sad but true, just another day in the life.....


Sadly i know all too well what that's like. I had to call Dell india to get parts for a family members system. They managed to screw up sending the right part out twice in a row and then tried to convincce me that it's better for the company if i just send it to depot. It took two hours and internal escalations to get them to send out the proper part.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was some initiative a year or two ago - HIP - Handle In Place... (Do Not Transfer)...
That call would have been a good candidate for Handle in Place...
Guess that initiative is no longer active or followed Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most agents dropped handle in place long ago due to pressure from management in the other direction. Sometime in October or November in fact they directed a new policy to NOT handle in place and transfer all the dimensions out of the XPS queue, as the dimension customers had figured out if they told the IVR they had an XPS they would be supported anyway and reach a north american rep.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Handle In Place was dropped because it was pointless. It was adopted as a band-aid, weak counter measure to the rise in wrong queue calls. Dell decided not to pursue proper training or follow ups with the reps that dumped calls - and let's not forget that joke of an IVR they use.

Rather than spend the time and resources to actually deal with the problem that was ever growing, they threw this nonsense policy out there instead. Yes agents were dumping calls. Yes people couldn't understand basic literacy skills long enough to hit the right queue. Yes the queue/routing was BADLY DAMAGED and sending customers to a dial tone or the wrong queue anyways if we decided to try and transfer them to the appropriate queue. Yes some customers actually did get savvy enough to work the IVR to their advantage and avoid talking to India.

Dell had ample opportunity to resolve the issue accordingly and choose instead to apply band-aids. After a futile tenure, they canned the Handle In Place policy except if the customer was escalating. Other than that, transfer them to the appropriate dial tone, I mean, department. The policy was doomed from inception and should never have been adopted to begin with. Dell should've taken the correct steps to break down the issue and then fix what needed fixing.

This is just another black mark against the company that claims to be so trend setting. Find something that's broken and break it even more. Then pat yourself on the back for a day for your strategy that fails days later. Don't know who first said it, but their think tank needs a stronger filter.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They need to flush once in a while.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starman97 wrote:
They need to flush once in a while.


I "smell" a new BPI project.... Laughing
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