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babbage69 came back and replied a few times
Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| Rocke_T_Sinetist wrote: | Welcome, Sir Thomas (that was Babbage's first name, wasn't it?)
Let me correct your one-sided perspective. Our entire lab organization was oriented around 'we' and Customer Experience. The builders of the department did it deliberately, selecting attitudes they wanted to work alongside.
We all stood gaping at one another in the parking lot in May 2001 when we got surplussed. Dell blew us off, though we were returning $30M/year in savings.
If you're still there, it's because some manager thinks your butt is cute. Don't get carried away with yourself unless your wife works. |
I tell ya what. I will go on making my $62,000.00 a year salary with bonuses and getting the accolades I have actually worked for. My butt is cute, but I have a powerful brain, unlike a large chunk of the people who got axed in 2001. Yeah, I knew a large part of you, and you know who I am. There are still a large chunk of braindead idiots at Dell who need the axe, but they are still around. Most of the software engineers at that time were overpaid to begin with. I remember the Austin 360 boards to and all the people who were whining then. Don't dog people who actually have real talent. We can match up our brainpans anytime you want. |
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Rocke_T_Sinetist Moderator
Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 2683 Location: DFW airport
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ethics Code violation (and primate posturing) telling us how much you're paid. (I'm a primate too. Me = $more. My butt must be cuter. )
Brain pan size is irrelevant, and that's real close to precisely the problem. Where one lands politically determines one's future at Dell, not the resources one comes with or the diligence with which they're applied.
We had an MSEE C3 who came from the design team that developed the 56K modem. Did they lay him off? No, but 6 months later they faked a PIP and drove him out to make room for another fratbrother legacy who couldn't find his sphincter with a GPS. Same with the guy who had 20 years' drive-industry experience. Hint: Layoffees were Caucasian, PIPees were minorities, all over 40.
Realize how fortunate you are to have landed where you have. Skill and application won't get you a bag of Doritos most places in Dell. And you could tear your rotator cuff patting yourself on the back. _________________ Rocke T Sinetist
as in, 'it doesn't take a...' |
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babbage69 came back and replied a few times
Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Rocke_T_Sinetist wrote: | Ethics Code violation (and primate posturing) telling us how much you're paid. (I'm a primate too. Me = $more. My butt must be cuter. )
Brain pan size is irrelevant, and that's real close to precisely the problem. Where one lands politically determines one's future at Dell, not the resources one comes with or the diligence with which they're applied.
We had an MSEE C3 who came from the design team that developed the 56K modem. Did they lay him off? No, but 6 months later they faked a PIP and drove him out to make room for another fratbrother legacy who couldn't find his sphincter with a GPS. Same with the guy who had 20 years' drive-industry experience. Hint: Layoffees were Caucasian, PIPees were minorities, all over 40.
Realize how fortunate you are to have landed where you have. Skill and application won't get you a bag of Doritos most places in Dell. And you could tear your rotator cuff patting yourself on the back. |
Understood. I shouldn't have posted my salary. Drug dealers and Jessica Simpson make a fortune, so it is irrelevant. Sorry about that. I didn't know it was a rule. But I believe you make your own destiny, but only if you do the next right thing. If Dell let me go tomorrow, (could happen now for sure), I will excel any place I end up. I think that is the attitude that kept me off the chopping block in 2001. I realized long ago that no company is going to offer cradle-to-the-grave security, not even union places. I am prepared if I am let go, and judging what I read in blogs after the big layoff, most of the engineers were mortgaged to the hilt. That is bad no matter where you work or what you do. Nothing in life is sure but death and taxes.
By the way, I have never kissed ass and am only about the customer, which has pissed some higher management off before. Politics are everywhere, even with who gets to work the fry station at McDonalds. The key is to not make it about you, and that is the problem with America today, and sociologist and psychiatrist agree. People get tired of the me song after a while. |
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GettinJaded came back and replied a few times
Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 6
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Agreed. I always find it funny when people complain about metrics or being micro-managed. What do you expect? Dell is running a business, not a welfare office. They are a Fortune 50 company and didn't get there by giving handouts. I don't know of a sales manager who doesn't believe in setting goals. It's a competitive world out there. Ditch the metrics and you might as well kiss your job goodbye.
And for those people who complain about being passed up for a role to someone with less experience: Get over yourselves and understand that tenure and experience are but small pieces of the puzzle. Believe it or not, people come from all kinds of backgrounds, possess all sorts of talents, and are surpisingly capable of adapting and learning new things. Case in point: I know someone who moved from a low level inside sales role straight to an account executive position. This was a big jump and, on paper, he appeared to be the least qualified candidate. However, he had excellent command skills and management recognized this as a huge strength. He may not have had a bunch of sales experience at Dell but he did have certain competencies he was able to utilize to be successful in his new role.
So, the next time someone beats you for a job, find out why. Your challenger might not have been as technical as you; but maybe, they were great with customers and have a history of quickly ramping in new roles. Don't be afraid to take some constructive criticism. I've been promoted several times at Dell....and denied just as many. Each time that happened, though, you can bet your behind I came out of there with a plan for improving myself.
You complain about people getting jobs because of who they know. Did you ever think about why that is? Pretend you're a hiring manager and asking me if I know of any good candidates for a role. If I'm going to put my reputation on the line and vouch for someone, I'll make damn sure they are the most qualified candidate.
Politicking and networking can be a very effective means for getting your name on the radar and helping prospective bosses understand why they should hire you. Otherwise, all they have to go on is a resume. You have to sell yourself internally. I regularly meet with Dell employees who seek my advice on moving into specialty roles. These meetings help me sort the champs from the chumps. I have met with many an employee who looked good on paper but was just not the right fit for a job.
Dell doesn't owe you anything. If you want something, you have to go get it. Being "fortunate" has nothing to do with it. If it ever looks like there is no more opportunity for me at Dell, I'll be hunting for a new job the next day.
And yes, I will tear a rotator cuff patting myself on the back. |
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enraged_koi Regular Hater
Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 17 Location: Edmonton AB Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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*points and laughs at the Nashville Guy who loves his job IF he still had one after today* _________________ STUPIDITY REIGNS! |
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themightyflog came back and replied a few times
Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 5
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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You'll learn young padiwan. They treat the Nashville guys worse than they do the RR guys.
Boy do I remember going in as a kid at 19 to work for Dell and how bushy eyed I was.
I hope you do end up doing good at Dell but after awhile you'll see what folks are talking about
There is a resaon Dell is not on the top 100 companies to work for on the Fortune 500 companies and a reason why there is even a sight called I hate Dell.net! |
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05TigerWong Hates with a Vengance
Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 59
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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meh, no offense, but I got on board with dhell is largely because they misrepresented their job descriptions and compensation. Financial Analyst = I work on DOOMS all day. DSPP = (insert laughter here).
dhell is an unethical company build on lies. never was anything more or less. |
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