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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Dell now much, much, much worse... Reply with quote

Well, at work, I used to just say what was wrong, and the tech comes at fixes it.

Now, Dell no longer believes us IT folk.

I have to call our corporate help desk, then they have to log the ticket with Dell to get someone to come out, if Dell approves the call.

We are having problems with nearly all of our Latitude X1 Sub-notes overheating. I used to just call Dell and they come out and replace it with a newer main board.

Now, Dell Customer Service says I first have to rebuild the OS, and then I have to run scandisk, then I have to run diagnostics, then I have to find another X1 to swap parts out (and no, I'm not cannibalizing my Manager's (who is a VP) computer...) to make sure it's the main board.

Quoting the Dell CS Rep: "All laptops heat up"
Me: "My Thinkpad and iBook heat up and don't lock up - this is the 5th X1 with a problem."
Dell CS Rep: "Sir, it's obvious, all laptops heat up"...

As an IT person with 25 years of experience, I find this EXTREMELY INSULTING...

Needless to say here at work, we've switched our desktops back to buying from HP. Looking forward to no longer buying these dHell laptops as well....
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hated so much everytime I had to follow a script...especially when they were as stupid as the one you quoted.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here us what you do Mr. gkarris to resolve that issue once and for all. The next time you speak with technical support, demand to speak to a L2. When you get an L2, demand to speak to a TAM (Technical Area Manager).

TAMs are capable of putting notations that will cause a pop up window to load when someone views your account in the Dell database DellServ, that has special notations for your account. So say for example you have purchased a large number of machines and these machines are experiencing problems such as the motherboard failures on the X1s, the note would read, "If Company calls for heating issues on portable computers, replace motherboard with no troubleshooting." It will save time, headache, and a hassel in the future to escalate once all the way to a TAM, demand what is called "an exception page in DellServ" and get it taken care of for all future calls.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: ???? tam Reply with quote

first of all technical ACCOUNT manager... also i thought they got rid of all of them like over a year ago... your x1's are boned... hp is worse... just lie to tech support and say you swapped a known good... they already know youre lying and dont care
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both good ideas. For institutional customers with recurrent problems, Dell will notate the account to get you past the script readers. But only account managers have the authority.

Also, when the phone droids throw those stalls and dodges at you, tell them you already did that. It forces them to the next page of the script.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:46 am    Post subject: Dell truly sucks- arrogant & unprofessional Reply with quote

Well, the other day I attended a Dell's interview for a position in one of its Asia Pacific's Call Centers by chance.

There are so many things I noticed wrong and would like to point out here:

1. The interviewer was very unprofessional, he was not punctual and late the for the interview for at least 1/2 hour although he did notify me via sms while I was on the way.

2. Again the interviewer is unprofessional, he wore Jean and T-shirt for the interview. Ok, that's fine, may be this is Dell's culture of being casual.

3. The worst part is, the interviewer was not only unprofessional, he did not even treat this interview with respect. He joked and doodled with paper and have fun with another interviewer while the candidate was being interviewed and thrown with tricky questions. He treated the whole interview as a COMPLETE JOKE.

4. YET, he was interviewing me like this is a multi-million dollar job, asking me very tricky questions and put me in a very difficult situation. This job interview sounds more like a EXECUTION OVER THE JUDGMENT SEAT to me than a job interview while the salary they offer is so low, much lower in the market.

5. Finally, when I asked them about the portfolio of the customers if I was offered a job in sales, the guy replied me in this way' well you don't have to worry about the customer portfolios, in Dell, we have thousand of transactions each day, Dell's is such a renowned worldwide company, everyday, many people can't wait to buy from us while we don't even have to approach them.' WHAT AN ARROGANT STATEMENT!!! SO WHY IS DELL HIRING SO MANY SALES PEOPLE EACH DAY, WITH A TIGHT TARGET TO HIT. IS THE PRODUCT QUALITY OF DELL REALLY THAT GOOD?

Well, one week passed, so I sent an sms to the interviewer asking him what is the outcome of my interview, you know what, he didn't even bothered to spend one second to give me a reply. Honestly, I am a job seeker and not a job begger and I do not give a damn even if I do not get this job. Honestly, this job interview in Dell is a good experience to me and I will not accept this job even if they offer me. How can a sane person working with such demanding and arrogant company that asks a lot but cannot pay. If this is not EXPLOITATION, what is this? As a consumer, I will not buy from a company which is so arrogant and proud when the products that it offers is so questionable.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: Dell truly sucks- arrogant & unprofessional Reply with quote

agito wrote:
1. The interviewer was very unprofessional, he was not punctual and late the for the interview for at least 1/2 hour although he did notify me via sms while I was on the way.


This is completely unprofessional, as Dell is VERY big on being punctual for it's call centers. Being that they base everything on metrics and you get "occurances" (basically points against you that accumulate into verbals, warnings, written warnings, final warnings, and then being fired), and they give absolutely no care as to whether it was traffic that made you late, or problems with the subway or whatever, this is not only unprofessional for him to be late for any reason, but also a double standard. You will find Dell has MANY double standards, most of them done by managers who seem to think themselves above the rules.

agito wrote:
2. Again the interviewer is unprofessional, he wore Jean and T-shirt for the interview. Ok, that's fine, may be this is Dell's culture of being casual.


Dell for the most part is a very casual atmosphere, however certain positions in management, such as Human Resources (the interviewers) by default should have shown by their trade alone a more professional atmosphere in appearance. Some of the interviewers are regular people managers from Dell, but they should have dressed up that day and shown a little pride for their company and positions in picking new people. I think the fact that this guy didn't dress appropriately to conduct interviews illustrates Dell's new direction perfectly... a complete lack of professionalism and lack of respect for its employees (even before they are employees).

agito wrote:
3. The worst part is, the interviewer was not only unprofessional, he did not even treat this interview with respect. He joked and doodled with paper and have fun with another interviewer while the candidate was being interviewed and thrown with tricky questions. He treated the whole interview as a COMPLETE JOKE.


I would have to know the interviewer on this, but this might have actually been intentional. Managers and interviewers with Dell are trained sometimes to do things like this. Basically you will be working in a call center for the most part at Dell, answering phones on a call center floor around other people and distractions from many directions. What you might have seen as him treating the interview as a joke might have been meant to test whether or not you could answer difficult questions while being faced with distractions not unlike what you will see at Dell. I know the call center I worked for had footballs being thrown around, nerf wars, people joking and laughing loudly, etc etc. Sometimes the call center floor is like a college fraternity house, but you have to remain professional with the customer no matter what is going on around you.

Granted this is giving a lot of benifit where none is likely due, but it is another valid way to look at what might have been going on here.

agito wrote:
4. YET, he was interviewing me like this is a multi-million dollar job, asking me very tricky questions and put me in a very difficult situation. This job interview sounds more like a EXECUTION OVER THE JUDGMENT SEAT to me than a job interview while the salary they offer is so low, much lower in the market.


As he should. One technicians or employee with Dell could potentially cause a company or even an individual to sue Dell or cease doing business with Dell, costing Dell millions. You don't realize the pure power that every technician REALLY has but doesn't wield while at Dell. There were countless times while at Dell that I could have EASILY cost Dell millions of dollars in sales by pissing off the heads of corporations and businesses. So it is no suprise that they "execute over the judgment seat" as you said to see whether you are the kind of person to screw up or not.

As to salary being low... yeah. Dell has always paid lower than industry standards because they do not do market evaluations of the industry often, and they know they can get more employees based on their name recognition and "prestige" in the business world. What you really should be looking at a job with Dell like is a chance to pad your resume some with the name "Dell" so that people outside of Dell see that and suddenly you have the "Wow" factor going on. Look at Dell as nothing more than a chance to further your career and see how a large corporation really operates, nothing more.

agito wrote:
5. Finally, when I asked them about the portfolio of the customers if I was offered a job in sales, the guy replied me in this way' well you don't have to worry about the customer portfolios, in Dell, we have thousand of transactions each day, Dell's is such a renowned worldwide company, everyday, many people can't wait to buy from us while we don't even have to approach them.' WHAT AN ARROGANT STATEMENT!!! SO WHY IS DELL HIRING SO MANY SALES PEOPLE EACH DAY, WITH A TIGHT TARGET TO HIT. IS THE PRODUCT QUALITY OF DELL REALLY THAT GOOD?


Unfortunately, for the most part, he's right. Unless you work in specific sales queues with specific clientel as an account manager, you really don't have to worry about company portfolios, etc. Sounds like you were being interviewed for one of the "Super Queues" at Dell Sales, where you basically just take all the incomming sales orders, for which Dell does indeed do not only thousands, but tens of thousands of transactions each day. And again, he's right in the fact that people can't wait to buy from Dell. Many people in the business community are uninformed and do not know of the financial problems Dell is having, nor do they know of the issues that Dell has on many of their computer systems that they do not make public, nor do they know that many of the Dell computers such as the Vostro and Inspiron Desktop lines are not only the same damned computers, but are made in the same factory by the same people and are are the same machines as e-Machines and HP, and are mass produced for volume, not quality. People don't know these things, but they know the name Dell, and think they are a good company, and therefore buy from them.

Why does Dell hire so many Sales people a day? Because they do have high quotas, pay low salaries, and have no ethics in their sales departments at all. Many people either find better paying jobs, get tired of the quotas or lack of ethics, or just flat out quit. Dell knows there are many many many more warm bodies to take their place, and that is all they see them as... warm bodies.

agito wrote:
Well, one week passed, so I sent an sms to the interviewer asking him what is the outcome of my interview, you know what, he didn't even bothered to spend one second to give me a reply. Honestly, I am a job seeker and not a job begger and I do not give a damn even if I do not get this job. Honestly, this job interview in Dell is a good experience to me and I will not accept this job even if they offer me. How can a sane person working with such demanding and arrogant company that asks a lot but cannot pay. If this is not EXPLOITATION, what is this? As a consumer, I will not buy from a company which is so arrogant and proud when the products that it offers is so questionable.


You have the right notion to take the interview as what it was, a good experience. As to whether he responded or not... yeah if he didn't bother and you haven't heard anything, you didn't get the job. He wouldn't have been able to, by policy and ethical guidelines, respond anyhow. They let the HR people do that, and will likely send you the typical form mail in regular snail mail post that states they appreciated you coming for the interview but at this time have chosen another candidate. Consider youself lucky that you didn't get the position, and move on.

As to never buying their product, that is your choice of course.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rocke_T_Sinetist wrote:

Also, when the phone droids throw those stalls and dodges at you, tell them you already did that. It forces them to the next page of the script.


I said that - dHell Tech said I "Have to do it over again on the phone with him".

Update: Dell's bad CS makes our Help Desk look bad - as they have to keep the ticket open until the problem is fixed, and if Dell doesn't fix it, out ticket stays open forever.

I think something happend as I checked the status of her laptop that they were going to contact the user at her home office to change the board out. I didn't talk to her yet to see if this happend.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, when the phone droids throw those stalls and dodges at you, tell them you already did that. It forces them to the next page of the script.


I said that - dHell Tech said I "Have to do it over again on the phone with him".


Then do what they do when they put you on hold. Tell them to hold on, go get a cup of coffee, come back and say "ok I did it, it's the same". You're under no obligation to be honest with these people who are stonewalling you.
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