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cosbie conscientious beginner
Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 2
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: Dell needs to understand customers are not the enemy |
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Dell's problems grow out of simple mindset that has evolved over the years: pump it and dump it. Each sale is viewed as a completed transaction not as the beginning of a relationship. Geewizgizmodos and new 'products' will do zilch if you treat customers the way car salesmen treat buyers.
I have bought a dozen Dell systems over the last 3-4 years, the latest being February 2007. I will no longer buy Dell even if it is cheaper and here's why:
1. I order a Dell Dimension 9200 on January 31, 2007. It arrives on February 2. I turn it on and immediately get a EULA that won't let me bypass it. It turns out this is for Google's Desktop Software and Dell is being paid $1 bn to force it down user throats.
Once past said, EULA, Windows Defender keeps barraging me with dire warnings--no virus protection etc. Now, it turns out Norton is pre-installed with a 30 day trial. So I click it and it tells me the trial period has expired (and it's only day 2). So I decide OK, I'll uninstall it--until it tells me the component cannot be found. So I download Norton to try and do a clean install so I can uninstall the damn thing--and it tells me there is an existing installation which I must first remove. So I email Symantec--they tell me it's an OEM and Dell is responsible for support.
So I call Dell and I get connected to Ravi in India. Ravi takes 10 minutes and tells me this is a software issue and they don't do software and he hands off to a guy named Marc in Manila.
Marc also tells me that Dell Tech support does not do software for that I have to call Dell Connect or something. Luckily (or otherwise) I know that is a per incident service ($100/incident). At this point, I lose my cool: first I tell Marc: that my soon to follow diatribe is not personal, and it is only intended to be recorded for training, quality assurance and legal purposes. Marc says what's "legal?". I tell him it is something that the Consumer Affairs dept in CT will subpoena and relay to the attorney general's office after he hears the rumbling on the web.
Whereupon the newly motivated Marc agrees to take a shot, uses remote assistance, tries his level best for 2 hours and then suggests I call Microsoft because he's giving up. I give up too and I take the Vista DVD and do a clean install. All told, the process takes me three days to get to the WOW.
2. Today, April 2, 2007 I discover my keyboard is not working ($20). I go to my Dell account get the order number and customer number and call 'Tech Support' total time spent 35 minutes (Sri cannot bring up any data on his system) after which Sri tellls me I'm in the wrong Center and that I should call 800-624-9897 and 'punch in' my Express service code. I never get the chance -Robot woman routes me to Jai and I find it is the Expired Warranty Service and I get warnings to get my credit card ready. Jai nevertheless, volunteers to 'punch in' my 'Express Service' code and finds I have a 1 -year on site warranty until February 2. 2008. So I ask him to send me a new keyboard. Jai says: "We would except you are in the wrong department".
All this for a $20 keyboard on top of a botched system install.
There was a time when you got replacements simply by giving your credit card number and shipping the defective items back. Today, Dell has a ship it and forget it approach to customers. It's not going to work Michael. The answer is not in cutting costs--it is in upgrading services that you actually deliver not just pile on extended warranties you are loath to stand behind.
Think Lexus not Chrysler. |
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QWERTYBOI came back and replied a few times

Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 8
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| I think you should stay away from Vista for now |
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Rocke_T_Sinetist Moderator
Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 2588 Location: DFW airport
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome, Cosbie. We know each other from, um, 'another' forum.
I still get exemplary service from my 1998 Dimension. Ordinarily that would make Dell my first choice when it becomes necessary to replace it. But not knowing what I know now. _________________ Rocke T Sinetist
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DOC_Is_Evil Hates with a Vengance
Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 76
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with staying away from Vista...Especially since my DOC site wasn't even trained on it until 3 weeks AFTER it launched...That was not fun...There are still people at my site who have not been trained on it, and no one seems to care...Then again, I'm outsourced, and that might be why. |
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cosbie conscientious beginner
Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 2
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Rocke_T_Sinetist wrote: | Welcome, Cosbie. We know each other from, um, 'another' forum.
I still get exemplary service from my 1998 Dimension. Ordinarily that would make Dell my first choice when it becomes necessary to replace it. But not knowing what I know now. |
Well, here's how it all panned out:
I filed a complaint with the CT Consumer Affairs department regarding this stupid $2.00 keyboard.
2 weeks later, I get an apologetic call from Dell 'Customer Service' agreeing that I did not have to run the gauntlet I did and they will send (and they did) a keyboard right away.
Now, get this, the Gentleman who calls says he had a similar problem with Norton, acknowledges I got caught in the middle of a turf war between MS and Google (the non evadable EULAs) and says sorry.
Hey I'm easy. All I wanted was some $2.00 justice. I am happy.
But here's an interesting twist from the New York Times
"New York Sues Dell Over Sales Practices
By JONATHAN P. HICKS
Published: May 17, 2007
The New York attorney general, Andrew M. Cuomo, announced yesterday that his office had filed a lawsuit against Dell Inc. and its Dell Financial Services unit for deceptive business practices and for failing to provide adequate customer service.
At a news conference in his Manhattan office, Mr. Cuomo said the suit came after an investigation and more than 700 complaints by Dell customers in New York State.
“At Dell, customer service means no service at all,” Mr. Cuomo said. “Dell’s consumers were intentionally misled, and they had to pay for that privilege.
So I am not alone after all... |
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adymate Regular Hater
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 20
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:30 am Post subject: |
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You know this is all for making DELL from 60billion dollar company to 80 billion dollar company within 2 years.
DELL introduced DELL ON CALL (DOC) - Software troubleshooting department ... who was introduced to rip off money from customers.
DELL Changed the warranty policies - giving ONLY 3 months warranty if a customer does not buy extended warranty.
DELL tried to cut down or atleast slow down the process of shipping replacement parts by delaying the process in troubleshooting.
DELL employees in India are given work of 2 or 3 people to cut down on expenditures.
DELL changed the IVR menu and removed a LOT of workers from customer service. The stupid IVR menu DOES NOT WORK! I have routed numerous calls but so many times, a customer who had word with me 30 mins ago, after being transfered 10 times, is still looking for help. Such customers usually recognized me .. HAY, ARENT YOU THE ONE WHO TRANSFERED THE DARN CALL EARLIER?
DELL buys cheaper and low quality products to save on expenditures.
DELL Closes a few contact centers to cut down expenses ...
ALL for making it $80 billion company. Tsk Tsk money ... |
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