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ShaftDu Dances with Hate

Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 585
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: |
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first a side note:
I keep on reading FallenAngel and thinking it is Funnystuff's post. I was confused a little this morning.
It is funny but I actually welcome people like Funny to post on these boards. As long as he can tell us why he loves his job. And it isn't personal, why not hear from people who believes in the Dell system. I know some of you might disagree but if we all agree on the same things in life then we wouldn't be human. Once in a while, we get Dell 'fanboys' writing on here explaining why they LOVED their Dells or why they love their jobs. I don't mind that.
I tell a lot of people if Dell does anything right is that their systems tend to be a lot more quieter. And the fact you could 'easily' go to their website and price out a system. However, with a system like that you have beware of the outside chance something might go wrong. This board is a great example of things that go bad either ordering online or through a phone rep. Even though, I think the practice is a tad outdated with places like Best Buy or Circuit City easily carrying the majority of computers, why would you wait for 3 to 5 weeks where you can pick one up in a 3 to 5 minutes.
Hey, when you make a website for the sole purpose of bashing Dell you shouldn't be surpise it will attract people who have different opinans.
Funnystuff, I believe two things about you by reading your posts. You either really love your job and want to counter the opposition OR you are just bored and want spir up the hornet's nest. If you doing really well and making a great living, i say good for you. If you pride yourself as a Dell employee, more power to you buddy. You have to also realize that there are people who don't believe the same way. The internet came bring together people who share ideas and thoughts. They can also bring together who believe differently.
However, it is possible that you are just bored and want to talk some crap. I have seen all the time. Some guy who believes in Darwin would go to a Christian board and tell them they are wrong. Why even bother? Are you thinking that somehow you can convert someone who is Christain to the light. Or maybe you are liberal, why even bother to go to a ultra right wing board and yell at them about Bush. Now if you want to have a civil debate, that another story.
Funnystuff, if you truely love Dell, I say welcome! |
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FallenAngel Super Hater
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1490
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Ack. I'm being compared to a troll? Gah!
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Grissom Lord of the Flies

Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 1553
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm, in tech support if you give a notice they get you a box for your things and have you escorted out the door ASAP. |
That is such bullshit... If your a temp then yes they dont want to continue paying Spherion for you if your just gonna quit. I have NEVER seen anyone that gave there 2 weeks get told to leave on the spot that was a DELL employee. The only exception to this is when they already are in the process of terminating an employee and they are so sick of your dumb ass that they just tell you to get out. Yes I have seen that but only in a few extreme circumstances.
If you can name 3 people thats happend to in our call center then i will appologize for my statement. I just dont think you can do it. _________________
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: Funnystuff is inhaling pure oxgen |
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Hey Funnystuff, wake up!!! Things are nice when you get there, but there's one truth...it's not what you know, it's WHO knows you and hears your name and sees your face on a frequent basis. It's an ass-kissing circus made up of jacked-up MBAs and geeks. I'm still there, but one foot out the door trying to decide which offer to take after bonus time.
I would only recommend the place if you want to get the company name on your resume for other job/career opportunities. Other than that, go down the road and work somewhere else. People get content working there and don't leave unless they're squeezed out the door. I can't tell you how many MBAs came into the department where I work and couldn't even write an email without sounding like a dumbass. Not to mention the numerous screw ups that cost the company millions and they still weren't fired.
From what I hear from others, the entire business world is made up of yahoos like this...from GM to J&J. We'd better get used to it...it is WHO knows your name, face and all the positive bullshit you can make smell like roses. |
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i_escaped_dell Dances with Hate

Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 206
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| LOL..MBA's...what a waste of time.....its like a freaking bachelors in Communication everyone has it and it doesn't prepare you for anything. I guess the paper looks pretty hanging on the cubicle. |
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hotrodlincoln Moderator
Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Posts: 1687 Location: Not in Austin anymore
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Grissom wrote: | | Blaze wrote: |
Hmmm, in tech support if you give a notice they get you a box for your things and have you escorted out the door ASAP. |
That is such bullshit... If your a temp then yes they dont want to continue paying Spherion for you if your just gonna quit. I have NEVER seen anyone that gave there 2 weeks get told to leave on the spot that was a DELL employee. The only exception to this is when they already are in the process of terminating an employee and they are so sick of your dumb ass that they just tell you to get out. Yes I have seen that but only in a few extreme circumstances.
If you can name 3 people thats happend to in our call center then i will appologize for my statement. I just dont think you can do it. |
Grissom:
I don't have the names of those involved, but I heard this story making the rounds in the Braker area back in 2000:
There was a manager who had a habit of putting both hands on the shoulders of employees on his team, then giving a couple of pats with one hand while saying "Atta boy!" or "Way To Go!" when they did something successful on a project. He did this to both men and women. Anyway, he must have pissed off the right people because one day he came up behind one of his female workers who made some type of accomplishment, put his hands on her shoulders and said "Great Job!" This was witnessed by a few people in that cubicle row - that's all he did. Minutes later she went to HR, filed a complaint, and he was fired and walked within 3 hours. The charges were sexual harassment, improper touching of a female, and other such stuff. |
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FallenAngel Super Hater
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1490
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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If you wanna get vindictive, then that's the easiest way to do it.
Sexual harrassment? Pffft. Sadly that's the way the world has become...piss poor "politically correct" nose bleeders. |
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Blaze Dances with Hate

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 787 Location: AO1
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Grissom wrote: | | Blaze wrote: |
Hmmm, in tech support if you give a notice they get you a box for your things and have you escorted out the door ASAP. |
That is such bullshit... If your a temp then yes they dont want to continue paying Spherion for you if your just gonna quit. I have NEVER seen anyone that gave there 2 weeks get told to leave on the spot that was a DELL employee.
If you can name 3 people thats happend to in our call center then i will appologize for my statement. I just dont think you can do it. |
Danny Chapman
Steven Carier
And I'll have to dig for #3 but I should have that tomorrow.
Matt Davis maybe ? |
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StrangeFarer Hates with a Vengance
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 56
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| Blaze wrote: | | Grissom wrote: | | Blaze wrote: |
Hmmm, in tech support if you give a notice they get you a box for your things and have you escorted out the door ASAP. |
That is such bullshit... If your a temp then yes they dont want to continue paying Spherion for you if your just gonna quit. I have NEVER seen anyone that gave there 2 weeks get told to leave on the spot that was a DELL employee.
If you can name 3 people thats happend to in our call center then i will appologize for my statement. I just dont think you can do it. |
Danny Chapman
Steven Cartier
And I'll have to dig for #3 but I should have that tomorrow.
Matt Davis maybe ? |
Dig back a little further- our SLTs have a way of punishing those techs who dare to reach for the Promethian fire of a C-grade position.
Think Mitch G (who left and then hammer-smashed his way back up the ladder from the outside- go Mitch!!). Think of all the L2s who got busted down for DMC duty as a "temporary" job duty. Think of all the VL2s and VTrainers who got yoyoed in and out of the programs, just to have manager pets given the jobs when they came open.
It doesn't take firing to get punished- all you have to do is offend the sensibilities of the elite who think they're the only ones who have a right to B1 and above pay. There are thousands of dirty, nasty tricks to make sure someone else gets fired/busted down/assigned to a "lateral promotion".
The lateral promotions are the worst thing- they shove someone sideways into a shit-job with the same paygrade (usually because a manager's pet has expressed an interest in the victim's current job), and tell them it's a promotion. If they complain, they get on the blacklist for being a "complainer".
Giving a 2-week notice is the fast way out, since they then have 2 weeks to fabricate any evidence they like to make sure they can terminate you for cause and deny you unemployment benefits and rehire status. |
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sickofdell Dances with Hate

Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 523 Location: Omaha, NE
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Giving a 2-week notice is the fast way out, since they then have 2 weeks to fabricate any evidence they like to make sure they can terminate you for cause and deny you unemployment benefits and rehire status. |
I know Dell really sucks, but still, if you are going to give a 2 week notice, have something else lined up, because you can't get unemployment when you quit. My last day is friday and I have not officially given my 2 weeks, lol. oh well, my new job starts in 2 weeks and i am so fricken happy _________________ Have you seen my dell laptop?
http://www.tgdaily.com/picturegalleries/gallery-20060731-1.html
(ok, so it's not mine, but it's freakin cool) |
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FallenAngel Super Hater
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1490
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Remember, termination for "cause" has to be proven beyond doubt. |
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StrangeFarer Hates with a Vengance
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 56
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| FallenAngel wrote: | | Remember, termination for "cause" has to be proven beyond doubt. |
And what proof are Dell employees allowed to record? Oh, yes- that's right- nothing.
Recording devices = forbidden.
Sending copies of any work email outside = forbidden.
Sending any performance data, ratings, etc. (Dell Proprietary Information) outside by any means = forbidden.
All the above are cause for termination.
In other words, if you make an attempt to prove your case using anything but your own eyewitness testimony, they have cause.
This leaves Dell free to bring in any "documentation" they care to fabricate about your performance, your behavior, any disciplinary actions, etc. If you dare to show a contradictory item at the hearing, they can show that item itself as valid cause for termination within your employment contract, because you're not allowed to divulge it under pain of termination. Recorded conversations are the same way.
So....how can they NOT prove their case, when they strip you of all ability to refute it other than your mouth?
The only cases I know where the employee won were cases where the Dell managers stupidly got on the stand and shot their arrogant mouths off, contradicting already-entered testimony or paperwork on their part. |
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sickofdell Dances with Hate

Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 523 Location: Omaha, NE
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| StrangeFarer wrote: | | FallenAngel wrote: | | Remember, termination for "cause" has to be proven beyond doubt. |
And what proof are Dell employees allowed to record? Oh, yes- that's right- nothing.
Recording devices = forbidden.
Sending copies of any work email outside = forbidden.
Sending any performance data, ratings, etc. (Dell Proprietary Information) outside by any means = forbidden.
All the above are cause for termination.
In other words, if you make an attempt to prove your case using anything but your own eyewitness testimony, they have cause.
This leaves Dell free to bring in any "documentation" they care to fabricate about your performance, your behavior, any disciplinary actions, etc. If you dare to show a contradictory item at the hearing, they can show that item itself as valid cause for termination within your employment contract, because you're not allowed to divulge it under pain of termination. Recorded conversations are the same way.
So....how can they NOT prove their case, when they strip you of all ability to refute it other than your mouth?
The only cases I know where the employee won were cases where the Dell managers stupidly got on the stand and shot their arrogant mouths off, contradicting already-entered testimony or paperwork on their part. |
On your way out, you can tell HR that one of the managers offered for you to keep your job by giving them a bj. I think people would believe it if you said it was gel. At least drag someone else out with you that deserves to go.
Reminds me of American Beauty, when the guy is supposed to write a review on why they should keep him, he instead talks about how the job sucks and tells the guy that he will threaten sexual harrassment if he's fired without compensation. That's just funny stuff right there.
Isn't that how you become a mgr, give someone a bj  _________________ Have you seen my dell laptop?
http://www.tgdaily.com/picturegalleries/gallery-20060731-1.html
(ok, so it's not mine, but it's freakin cool) |
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FallenAngel Super Hater
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1490
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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I keep forgetting that most of you are from the States where the worker is considered disposable. In Canada, they have similar laws, but there's nothing stating that you can't send email home. If it contains proprietary details then yes you may have a point. What we're addressing though is valid arguement against "just cause".
As for what you can use, Email and anything written will suffice. Email because it contains unique headers that can quantify any claim you had that something was sent to a certain someone at a certain time on a certain day.
Anything written because mostly, you requested it. That's right. If you're asked or expected to do something you are leery about, or outright suspicious, request to see it in writing first. If the deny it and then make action against you, you can force them to prove why you "needed" to do this special thing that no one else seemed to have to do, or at the very least doing something that appears out of sorts.
It's harder for a company to prove a point than it is for you to disprove one. All of this is called a paper trail. I have a right to keep accurate work records at my discretion. I have every single, pertinent email that I've sent or received since I started. I also have several paper documents that I may fall back on if needs be.
It's one of the things I love about working for a country that values their workforce to some extent. "At will" is a foreign concept up here, as I've mentioned before. |
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Gearbox Regular Hater
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 29
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Wish the States cared about their workers. All they care about is fattening the wallets of the elite and making everyone else who needs a living to work like dogs. _________________ Free at last, and loving every moment of it. |
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