Dell complaints

[HellResident]

It's worth while to check out :
http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/house-proceedings/house_detail.do?Date=2008-04-29&Parl=39&Sess=1&locale=en

It was sent to me by a friend who knew I'd have interest. Just do a find on Dell there is two or three references. Looks like the NDP are taking the apprenticeship training dollars into question due to the fact none of the training ever occurred (hardly news to the 1300 people who worked there)Turns out we were to recieve 4000 hours of in class training on this. Certainly that never occurred . This is going to get interesting.

My question is, if it's shown to be the complete SHAM that it was, and Dell is pulling out of Canada, how do they intend to collect the money back?

First the decision in NY, now this. Looks like Dell's questionable business practises are catching up with them.A bad year to be Dell I should think

HellResident



From the records of the Ontario Legislature:

APPRENTICESHIP TRAINING

Mr. Rosario Marchese: My question is to the Minister of Training, Colleges and Universities. The Ottawa Citizen asked the minister on Friday what training Dell employees received. He said he didn't know. The weekend has passed. Can the minister tell me how many weeks of training Dell employees received before the company took government money and skedaddled away?

Hon. John Milloy: I'm very proud that our government entered into a partnership with Dell, which provided training for over 1,800 apprentices at Dell over a three-year period for three different apprenticeships. What it did is, it gave them the type of training which not only allowed them to work at Dell, but they were transferable skills that they could take elsewhere. I note, and I think the Minister of Finance noted last week, the number of employers in the Ottawa area who have said that the skills that they had were valuable, and they were the type of jobs that they could move into.

Mr. Rosario Marchese: An article that appeared in August 2005, in the Ottawa Citizen, stated that Dell computers only gave three weeks of training to their employees. In my view, that's not real apprenticeship. This government paid millions of dollars, $5,000 per employee per year, to a company that paid their workers wages of $25,000, in order to persuade them to set up shop in Ontario.

Now the company's gone, the workers are unemployed, and the minister doesn't even know how much training they've received. Based on this fiasco, will the minister make sure that apprenticeship tax credit money is going towards real training and that what happened with Dell won't happen to them again?

Hon. John Milloy: The information put forward by the member is quite frankly wrong. Each of the three trades required approximately 4,000 hours of both in-school and on-the-job training before successful individuals were awarded the certificate. Information technology support agent: 3,340 hours of on-the-job training-

Interjections.

Hon. John Milloy: I cannot believe that they would belittle jobs of 1,800 people in Ottawa.

Information technology call centre inside sales agent: 3,730 hours of on-the-job training and 270 hours-nine weeks-of in-school training;

Information call centre customer care agent: 3,730 hours of on-the-job training and nine weeks of in-school training.

Let me quote David Weedmark, managing partner of AIM Group's IT services division: "I would say over the next couple of months"-the employees trained at Dell-"a third to a"-

Mr. Peter Kormos: No one is available at the moment; please hold.

The Speaker (Hon. Steve Peters): I just remind the member for Welland-

Interjections.

The Speaker (Hon. Steve Peters): I ask the member for Welland and the member for Trinity-Spadina. Thank you.

The member for Hamilton Mountain.

[AngelusDaemonicus]

Yet another DELL lie. We have worthless pieces of paper and DELL has 5K per head. I'd rather have the 5K, actually.
I wonder if DELL opens another North American call center, if our government will contact that community/state/province and tell them all about how DELL stole from us folks over here and plans to do the same to them... doubt it.

DELL can deceive and lie their way through life because folks allow it. If DELL decided to open a call center in downtown Ottawa and wanted the government to help out... it would. All DELL has to say is they'll hire more people than they had in Kanata and that would be good enough. Anything to get folks off EI... even if only temporarily.
Even with DELL's horrible reputation, folks still buy their computers.
Imagine a world where DELL was punished for it's wrong-doings... ALL of them. Imagine a world where the consumer refused to buy a DELL computer simply based on crappy support. In that world, my friends, DELL would simply cease to exist.

This forum, and similar "Anti-DELL" forums, can help make that world a reality.
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[FallenAngel]

I'm not sure why or how people seem to carry the notion that just because Dell is pulling out of Canada that they can't be touched for Canadian wrongdoings?

Not if, but WHEN this is revealed to be one of their biggest lies and shams, and it's revealed that they defrauded the Government out of millions in concessions, rest assured that they have the power to pursue. Just because Dell pulled out of Canada doesn't render them suddenly untouchable.

If that were the case, Enron would've just moved to Canada or some other country for example to avoid having to pay for their wrongdoings.