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Navck
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 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject: 40 dollars for a floppy drive - Not even reasonable |
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Would you pay 40 dollars for a floppy?
This is pure bullcrap. IBM includes floppys in their laptop as a standard.
Oh did I mention? "REMOVE THE SERIAL PORTS AND CLASSIC MOUSE/KEYBOARD PORTS."
I dobuting they will ever improve.
PS, this is directed at the idiot who decided 40 dollars for crappy floppys are great. Not the workers at the places who make the computer. |
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DDS
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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so dont buy one.
That was hard.
Go down to best buy and pick one up for $10.
| Quote: | This is pure bullcrap. IBM includes floppys in their laptop as a standard.
Oh did I mention? "REMOVE THE SERIAL PORTS AND CLASSIC MOUSE/KEYBOARD PORTS." |
Thats why IBM has the worst laptop sales of all. By the way, we have these SWEET little dealies called MEMORY KEYS now.
Yeah they remove them because the entire civilized world doesnt use them anymore. Unless for special uses. In that case get a $50 legacy laptop off ebay OR update you keyboard and mouse!!!! Its not a big deal.
Must we explain everything guys? =)
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Navck
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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The thing is, this wasn't for me. Staff at school wanted to get laptop. "Idiotkids" go DELLDELLDELLDELLDELLLDELL. I conviced her to get an IBM laptop which still has a floppy drive.
Why the crap would they charge 40 dollars for a floppy
Or even remove those ports? I still have a modern high end computer with a STANDARD MOUSE AND KEYBOARD PORT... Woo |
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DDS
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The thing is, this wasn't for me. Staff at school wanted to get laptop. "Idiotkids" go DELLDELLDELLDELLDELLLDELL. I conviced her to get an IBM laptop which still has a floppy drive.
Why the crap would they charge 40 dollars for a floppy
Or even remove those ports? I still have a modern high end computer with a STANDARD MOUSE AND KEYBOARD PORT... Woo |
Well, dont tell me your the IT guy. You convinced them to get an IBM? sigh. Ok, anyway they would charge $40 for a floppy because people need them. Aside from that, they are so old, my boss once told me, it actually costs dell money to sell these and ship them, thus the high price.
They would remove the port because they dont have room for them and dont want to do the R&D to have old skool ports on a new laptop. Get a USB mouse, keyboard, printer etc.. You can EASILY get buy without legacy ports my friend. Yes im very happy you have a modern high end computer with a standard mouse and keyboard, thats great but that is a DESKTOP, lots more room to squeez stuff in, plus its a STANDARD, whereas a laptop is not so the legacy ports ahve to be there. BTW you ever notice how more and more USB ports are popping up? Its because they want you to start switching. I never understood why people would want to invest in old technology that will very shortly be obsolete eg: floppy, ps2, serial etc. Oh well.
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Navck
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| DDS wrote: | | Quote: | The thing is, this wasn't for me. Staff at school wanted to get laptop. "Idiotkids" go DELLDELLDELLDELLDELLLDELL. I conviced her to get an IBM laptop which still has a floppy drive.
Why the crap would they charge 40 dollars for a floppy
Or even remove those ports? I still have a modern high end computer with a STANDARD MOUSE AND KEYBOARD PORT... Woo |
Well, dont tell me your the IT guy. You convinced them to get an IBM? sigh. Ok, anyway they would charge $40 for a floppy because people like you need them. Aside from that, they are so old, my boss once told me, it actually costs dell money to sell these and ship them, thus the high price.
They would remove the port because they dont have room for them and dont want to do the R&D to have old skool ports on a new laptop. Get a USB mouse, keyboard, printer etc.. You can EASILY get buy without legacy ports my friend. Yes im very happy you have a modern high end computer with a standard mouse and keyboard, thats great but that is a DESKTOP, lots more room to squeez stuff in, plus its a STANDARD, whereas a laptop is not so the legacy ports ahve to be there. BTW you ever notice how more and more USB ports are popping up? Its because they want you to start switching. I never understood why people would want to invest in old technology that will very shortly be obsolete eg: floppy, ps2, serial etc. Oh well. |
Floppys - We love these littile guys who can boot anti viruses up and update our BIOS.
PS2 - Why do USB mice come with PS/2 ports?
Serial - We still have old printers that some parts of the FREAKING world cannot afford... |
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DDS
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Floppys - We love these littile guys who can boot anti viruses up and update our BIOS.
PS2 - Why do USB mice come with PS/2 ports?
Serial - We still have old printers that some parts of the FREAKING world cannot afford... |
Floppy - You mean just like the USB keys? Oh ok. No we dont love those little guys.
PS2 - Because your USB ports are all taken.
Serial - You can get a brand new USB printer for like 30 bucks. I'm assuming you can afford 30 bucks.
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Navck
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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I only post this for my friends who don't really understand computers, yes I can install a floppy on a laptop, but they are too afraid to even watch me touch parts in my computer, and think I will die within the next second. DDS, what is with your anger to the above average consumer? I own a Dell, it was "decent", it overheated a lot and stuff. Did I care? No. But seeing how all my friends were BRAINWASHED and lead to DELL, I don't really like that. Besides, would you love it when people chant something thats obviously wrong and stupid? (2+2=666, imagine kids screaming that at you!)
Anyways, I dobut its even close to reasonable for a floppy drive that costs 40 dollars, those are the things we can upgrade bios, or any of that important stuff. Its a universial thing in a way. |
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Badger
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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If it's for a laptop, then it would cost a bit more to begin with. All laptop components do. Given that the tendancy for legacy support is dwindling, these things become rarer, which drives the price up even more. Seen the cost on PC100 RAM lately? Or Dot Matrix printer ribbons? If it's old and out of style, it costs more. Plain and simple.
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lokeshk
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:33 am Post subject: Obviously ... this conversation is goin wrong... |
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Me thinks that the conversation has lost it's way ... What Navck ment was that they should go ahead and upgrade and all that ... But not discontinue the support for the old stuff ...
For DDS
Old stuff is not equal to Card readers or Einiac
Old Stuff is equal to Floppy, serial ports etc. 
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theu should NOT charge $ 40 for something like a Floppy ... they DO NOT have to pay extra ... but would save on the Storage Area that is wasted
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Badger
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| lokeshk wrote: | | What Navck ment was that they should go ahead and upgrade and all that ... But not discontinue the support for the old stuff ... |
Supporting the old stuff costs money. Researching a new board that is legacy free reduces the overall cost, making the computers cheaper. It'll take a while, but ISA was around for almost 20 years before it was finally phased out in favour of PCI, and you still had PCI and ISA bus motherboards available until four years ago. Floppy drives, PS/2 ports, and serial ports have been around just as long, if not longer. PS/2 and serial ports were replaced by USB what, six years ago? Floppy drives have only become redundant by CD-RW and Flash devices within the last two years, if you omit Zip drives et all. I say two because the cost of CD-RW's (writers and media) hit their bottom price point in 2002/2003. They havn't gotten much faster or cheaper or reliable since. Eventually support for the legacy parts will have to go to make way for more reliable support for currently technologies.
Soon, we'll see the end of IDE. With SATA you get better transfers and cheaper drives. It'll mean all those old IDE drives you have filled with old games, movies, documents, and bits of nostalgia, will need to be replaced if you want ot use current equipment. People will really complain about this one, but it'll be a necessary evil.
Next will be the tape drive. It'll be phased out with support of removable slim hard drives, NFS, and DVD recordable. But legacy support will last perhaps even longer, due to the amount of corporations that use tapes to store financial data. Eventually support for tape will go as well, and when it does, people will complain that it is no longer supported.
I say it's good to see legacy support going. If you continue to leave legacy equipment within your system, you're going to hit a performance wall. If not for DDR memory, RAM would still be a huge problem for system performance. Computers would not be able to operate at faster rates. SATA begins to address the issue of HDD's being the slowest part of the computing chain. PCIe and PCI Express are bolstering the card bus speeds. Technology needs to evolve, and at some point the weakest part of the chain needs to be removed. A computer is only as fast as it's slowest part, and if you have to piss some people off to make the rest of the world happy, then it's a necessary evil.
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lokeshk
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:26 am Post subject: You are Perfectly Right ... |
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I can Understand all this. It is perfectly correct. What i am speaking about is that they should at least consider the cost per system when they are selling it to an educational institution. The cost per system increases when newre technologies are used. This is the direct effect of the availability in the market. the Floppy driver in Question are NEC or Samsung (Those are the only two driver available). These said manufacturers sell the Floppy driver to Dell at the Rete of $ 15 per Drive. (Not holding the Bulk order Contracts). If Dell Sells them for $ 40 then the Profit is high ... Thats for sure. but the cost per system goes up for the said Educational Institution. The Drives or the Tecnology should certainly be Upgraded .. BUT at What COST??
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CE3IBT
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:24 am Post subject: Re: You are Perfectly Right ... |
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| lokeshk wrote: | I can Understand all this. It is perfectly correct. What i am speaking about is that they should at least consider the cost per system when they are selling it to an educational institution. The cost per system increases when newre technologies are used. This is the direct effect of the availability in the market. the Floppy driver in Question are NEC or Samsung (Those are the only two driver available). These said manufacturers sell the Floppy driver to Dell at the Rete of $ 15 per Drive. (Not holding the Bulk order Contracts). If Dell Sells them for $ 40 then the Profit is high ... Thats for sure. but the cost per system goes up for the said Educational Institution. The Drives or the Tecnology should certainly be Upgraded .. BUT at What COST??
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At whatever price puts the most money in Mikey's wallet and can still be sold to the user without to loud a bitchin'. |
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dellhater
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:57 pm Post subject: wHAT? |
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I guarantee you that DELL does not lose money on selling a laptop floppy drive. That is the biggest lie I have ever heard. IBM ( Levano ) Thinkpads are rock solid and Dell's notebooks are better used as clay pidgeons. Don't buy the floppy from dell, pick up a USB floppy from zipzoomfly.com or newegg.com.
Oh and most every Dell worker I have ever talked to hate's the place and they are only there to have a job. |
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paul_dellcc
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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You are damn right 
I worked for a third party company which was even worst 
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| LOL ! Like SmartTech (what an oxymoron !) is for the BSC reps that were given "the option" ? |
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