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paul_dellcc
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All industries have changed.
Cars, fridges, everything is made to break down in a couple of years. That means that you will have to purchase it again, they will have twice the money they earned 20-25 years ago.
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Dell Dementia
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Paul 
| paul_dellcc wrote: | All industries have changed.
Cars, fridges, everything is made to break down in a couple of years. That means that you will have to purchase it again, they will have twice the money they earned 20-25 years ago. |
Yes, Problem is the customer loses more money and buys into less reliability, and the environment sinks under mountains of old non recyclable hardware. the only winners seem to be the manufacturers.
My gripe with Dell is that they (Along with Micro$oft) seem to be leading this trend in the computer industry. I have an old IBM PS1 running (Get this) windows 3.0 on DOS 5, OK it is not megafast but it still does what it was supposed to do when new. Can you say this of a Dell 333? (A machine of that era)
Dell were at it then basically.
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paul_dellcc
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not on the Dell's side...
Just wanted to say that almost everything is made to break down on purpose 
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Dell Dementia
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Paul
| paul_dellcc wrote: | I'm not on the Dell's side...
Just wanted to say that almost everything is made to break down on purpose |
Apologies if I came across that way. I just tend to be a bit irritated by Dell's strange antics from time to time.
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paul_dellcc
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, no problem 
Apologies accepted 
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arnie500
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| i cant bielieve $40 damn dollars for a crappy floppydrive!You can get a media card reader instead for cheaper. |
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DSE
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| arnie500 wrote: | | i cant bielieve $40 damn dollars for a crappy floppydrive!You can get a media card reader instead for cheaper. |
People seem to have trouble understanding the concept of profit, support cost, and parts cost.
No, the floppy drive that Dell wants to sell you does not cost Dell $40. Dell would not be in business for long with that kind of business tactics.
Someone mentioned Newegg having $3 floppy drive. Way to skew facts. We are talking about a portable floppy drive, correct? From what I see on Newegg, half height floppy drives start at near $20. No, Dell wouldn't pay that much, with the buying power at their disposal, but it does skew the numbers to look better than a comparison to a $3 DESKTOP floppy drive.
I won't pretend to know what Dell pays for this half height floppy drive, nor will I just pull a number out my backside.
Let's just add up what Dell's cost for selling this drive might be. Cost of drive, cost of casing for the drive to fit in said system, cost of future support calls that might be generated because of this drive, warehousing, etc. This is not to mention the change is assembly line that needs to be made when 95% of the systems being built do not have a floppy, so someone has to run down and grab this drive when a system with one comes down - doesn't seem like much, but it does affect efficiency...and actually slows down several systems from being built faster. This is why ANYTHING custom or out of the ordinary tends to cost more. |
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Dell Dementia
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Hello DSP
| Quote: | People seem to have trouble understanding the concept of profit, support cost, and parts cost.
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Well I kind of felt that the concept of profit, as envisaged by the computer industry and most notably Dell was quite simple.
Take a standard device, call it old fashioned. produce no viable alternative, and then put computers on the market, sans device and then claim that said device is a "customisation" and charge $40 for it.
I would not mind so much but for that fact that besides fiddling with CDs there is no viable bootable media to cover all the functions floppies did reasonably well. I dont have issues with the phasing out of floppies, I just think it was too soon and motivated more by money than consideration for the customer's needs.
If not knowing how much dell pay for this (Like components are manufactured on the cheap in sweat shops) is a negative factor then fine, but how much of this stuff do dell have in redundant stock, and how much does it cost for them to manufacture something, in a sweat shop, with the machinery already in place to do it?
sorry it smells all Micro$oft business practices to me.
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DEMS08
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Agree with DSE. Overall people are not happy with Dell right now because of the fact that company has the largest market share than any other PC manufacturer out there - so Dell gets the most publicity. Profits are not good for anyone right now, except for Apple even though they are soon to find that it is not only the inductry that's in desperate need of "Renaissance", but the whole economy needs a major shake-up. Until economy really improves, people would be buying less, buying cheap things, and getting screwed in the long run.
PS>I would never buy pay $40 for FD.=)
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DSE
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| Dell Dementia wrote: | Hello DSP
| Quote: | People seem to have trouble understanding the concept of profit, support cost, and parts cost.
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Well I kind of felt that the concept of profit, as envisaged by the computer industry and most notably Dell was quite simple.
Take a standard device, call it old fashioned. produce no viable alternative, and then put computers on the market, sans device and then claim that said device is a "customisation" and charge $40 for it.
I would not mind so much but for that fact that besides fiddling with CDs there is no viable bootable media to cover all the functions floppies did reasonably well. I dont have issues with the phasing out of floppies, I just think it was too soon and motivated more by money than consideration for the customer's needs.
If not knowing how much dell pay for this (Like components are manufactured on the cheap in sweat shops) is a negative factor then fine, but how much of this stuff do dell have in redundant stock, and how much does it cost for them to manufacture something, in a sweat shop, with the machinery already in place to do it?
sorry it smells all Micro$oft business practices to me. |
Wow, where to start. Let's be egotistical and simply the entire computer industry's operating tactics to the beef you happen to have with them - phasing out technology that 80-90% of the population does not ask for. As for your claim that there is no viable alternative, I'll point you to earlier posts mentioning USB flash drives, CD drives, as well as USB floppy drives that can be had for as little as $20.
Let me put it to you this way, there is very little demand for floppy drives right now. It may not seem that way to you, as you seem to have trouble seeing outside of the problem you have. When very little of a certain product is in demand, that drives up the price of said commodity. Scale of production has already been reduced. As for redundant stock, Dell carry almost no redundant stock, if you know anything about the industry, you would know that Dell has had the price advantage over others in the industry by streamlining it's production and supply process and carrying almost no invetory. How much does it cost for Dell to manufacture something, in a sweat shop or not? Nothing, Dell does not manufacture floppy drives, or any components, for that matter. It might surprise you to know that most 'machinery' in the computer industry gets scrapped pretty quickly - manufacturing space is a premium that most companies don't want wasted on something that does not carry enough demand to meet scale of production.
You didn't mention support costs associated with a part. When Dell (or any other company) sells something, they must include the projected support cost associated with said product. When the phone rings at the tech support desk, it's already cost Dell money, probably more than you think. That phone ringing means it's using infrastructure, technical support rep's time, and administrative costs. Do you know how many people call in because they left a floppy disk in the drive and the system won't boot?
I can't help you with the smell of 'Micro$oft business practice', but I think if you had a glass belly, you could see the big picture better. |
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i_escaped_dell
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Why not just get a usb flash drive for the same price and make your life easy. This way you get portability, more stability in the way it saves, and you only have to keep track of one item not a bunch of floppies. |
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x 01011000
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ^you can't do that if you have something you have been working on off of a floppy disk. and you would have to pay for the floppy then copy it to flash, that is what I had to do. |
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